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Very interesting. Apple has been known to use very recently announced drives in iPods. I think that, as Samsung's largest customer for the 1.8 inch hard drives, Apple probably has deep access to information about their product development pipeline.

I think the article is good news. It leads me to believe that the 6G may have a 160 gig as the top end model. At the very least, it makes a 120 gig model a virtual certainty.
 

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120GB probably, 160GB no way..especially seeing as it was just invented..usually top-of-the-line products are a few hundred more than the step below..stupid but true.
 

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Surf Monkey said:
Very interesting. Apple has been known to use very recently announced drives in iPods. I think that, as Samsung's largest customer for the 1.8 inch hard drives, Apple probably has deep access to information about their product development pipeline.
My thoughts, exactly. It's certainly good news for the industry, and if Apple doesn't include this model with the 6G, I wouldn't be surprised to see 6.5G include a drive similar to this.
 

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120GB probably, 160GB no way..especially seeing as it was just invented..usually top-of-the-line products are a few hundred more than the step below..stupid but true.
Exactly. The newest hardrives are often ridiculously more expensive than the second newest. Forget about seeing this one in the iPod this year. The 120GB which has been on the market a while is a much more reasonable choice. Further more the iPod is probably in it's late beta testing phase now and Apple are preparing to stack up inventory world wide in time for the premier.


Lastly I don't think most people will care weather the new iPod has 120GB or 160GB, it's a lot of storage regardless. What's most important is that the low end model comes with 60GB.
 

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Lastly I don't think most people will care weather the new iPod has 120GB or 160GB, it's a lot of storage regardless. What's most important is that the low end model comes with 60GB.

1) Don't count out a 160 gig drive in the launch version of the 6G. As I said above, Apple has been known to use the very newest 1.8 inch drive in iPod. I'm not saying that they will use it, just that we shouldn't be so quick to say they won't. Personally, I'm expecting 120 to be the top of the line.

2) You might be surprised how large the demand for a huge capacity iPod is. I have no doubt in my mind that there's a substantial percentage of consumers who want the largest capacity device they can get their hands on. The storage size does make a difference to lots of consumers.
 

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I have no doubt in my mind you are wrong but only time will tell.

Other than the four or five people that lurk here saying they need a 160 gig drive I heard of nobody that said 80 gig is too small.
 

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I have no doubt in my mind you are wrong but only time will tell.

Other than the four or five people that lurk here saying they need a 160 gig drive I heard of nobody that said 80 gig is too small.

But you make a fatal assumption: that "needed" capacity is a fixed quantity.

Sure, you can bring up anecdotal evidence that no one you encounter feels the 80 gig is too small. I can do the opposite and bring in lots of examples of people who think 80 gig is far too small.

The point here is that file sizes change depending on encoding methods. Space requirements change depending on shifting usage patterns. Capacity becomes increasingly important as large files like movies become more common on iPods. And speaking of movies, right now iPods are only storing aggressively compressed video. At some point in the not too distant future people are going to want movies with uncompressed video and audio that they can send to a TV. Even 160 gig is a drop in the bucket when it comes to files like that.

Don't fall into the trap of thinking that today's storage requirements will always be the standard. No matter what happens, people will want/need more and more space. By way of example, how many people would buy a flagship iPod if it still came in the original 5 and 10 gig configurations? I remember people saying back then that 10 gig was more than anyone would ever need.

The top of the line iPod has been 80 gig for some time now. The competition already have 100+ gig DAPs on the market. The demand for the largest capacity possible is real. There's really no upper end to the amount of storage that people can use. If iPod was a terabyte people would find a way to fill it up.
 
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Mind you I have and will be replacing my iPods every year or two, so maybe in a few years. Never say never.

But I do not know what it States has. Since many devices are not sold Canada it does not matter to me but the two other devices sold buy Future Shop have 30gig and 80 gig capacities, Creative Zen 30Gig and Archos 504 80Gig
 

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1) Don't count out a 160 gig drive in the launch version of the 6G. As I said above, Apple has been known to use the very newest 1.8 inch drive in iPod. I'm not saying that they will use it, just that we shouldn't be so quick to say they won't. Personally, I'm expecting 120 to be the top of the line.

2) You might be surprised how large the demand for a huge capacity iPod is. I have no doubt in my mind that there's a substantial percentage of consumers who want the largest capacity device they can get their hands on. The storage size does make a difference to lots of consumers.
Apple left the horse race long ago. 100GB drives were on available on the market a few months before the iPod G5.5 was introduced yet Apple choose 80GB drives. That made it eve possible for them to decrease the price with 50 bucks. The drives with biggest capacity are often unreasonably more expensive than the ones with the second largest capacity. There's no chance we'll see the 160GB in an iPod this year.
 

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This is something you know as a fact, right? Just checking.

In case you didn't read my post, I said that I expect the largest 6G at launch to be 120.
Then why did you write that I shouldn't count out a 160GB iPod, which you backed up by telling me about Apple habits and how important capacity is to some people.

At least I clearly state where I stand.
 

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Because he's saying it's possible. And Apple isn't out of the race. The sizes will always get bigger. And yes, most people don't need more than 80GB, but still a lot of people do. And as HDs continue to get cheaper why not increase the size. Right now I have 82.5GBs of media. So I'll probally pick up the 120GB version (if it exists).
 

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XVI said:
Because he's saying it's possible.

Bingo! Hell, it's possible that Apple will release a 500gig 6G iPod. It's not probable but it is possible. As I mentioned in my posting, Apple has been known to deploy drives that had just been announced in their iPods. It has happened in the past, it could happen now. I'm not expecting that it will, just saying that it might.
 

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Yeah, Surf Monkey is right on this one. But 500GB is outlansish, 160GB is actually possible. And I wouldn't be very surprised if it happens. Archos is relesing a 160GB media player for 399. Right now I'm really not sure what we'll be getting. I'm thinking... 60/80GB for the smaller ones and 120/160 for the larger ones. Only time can tell. A question for surf monkey though... I don't think you said it in this thread but somewhere you said that if iPods were 1TB (1000GBs) people would still find ways to fill them. That's something I just don't beilve, hardly anyone has that much space, and I couldn't even imagine what to download with 1TB. Surf Monkey, just curious, if you had a 1TB iPod how long do you think it would take to fill?
 

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XVI said:
A question for surf monkey though... I don't think you said it in this thread but somewhere you said that if iPods were 1TB (1000GBs) people would still find ways to fill them. That's something I just don't beilve, hardly anyone has that much space, and I couldn't even imagine what to download with 1TB. Surf Monkey, just curious, if you had a 1TB iPod how long do you think it would take to fill?

Consider this: I own over 700 DVDs. If I could digitize all that content and put it on a device that's about the size of a cassette tape, I'd do that in a heartbeat. 1TB wouldn't be enough space for all those movies and TV shows. Just as I like to have all my music stored in a very small, very portable device, so I'd like to have all media in general stored on the same device. I could easily see a situation where AppleTV works like a TiVO and is able to move tons of films and shows to iPod. The way I see it, Apple called it "pod" for a reason. I see it developing into the hub of the Apple digital environment, containing huge amounts of portable content as well as the home folder for your Mac and who knows what else. In the media rich environment we live in, a terabyte is going to look like a small amount of storage in the very near future.
 

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Interesting... I'm assuming you have a 80GB 5.5? And I'd assume you've ripped some of those DVDs.
 

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Interesting... I'm assuming you have a 80GB 5.5? And I'd assume you've ripped some of those DVDs.

Nope. I have a 60 gig 5.5G that I've been holding on to waiting for an update. No reason to buy an 80 when the 6G is pending... at least that was the thinking over six months ago. If I'd known that Apple was going to wait so long to release the 6G I would have traded up to an 80 long ago.

And no, I don't have any DVDs ripped, but I wish every day that I could store all those discs in my iPod. I could use all that physical space for more important things.
 

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Like what? TV Series? Music, what are you doing with your 60GBs wight now?
 

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Like what? TV Series? Music, what are you doing with your 60GBs wight now?

Music mostly, plus a fair number of podcasts, some TV shows and a bunch of photos. I could use 160 up in no time without even thinking about putting any full length movies on it.

Also, you should know that I only put albums, very few single songs, on my iPod and practically all of them are encoded at 320kbps.
 
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