With wi-fi, you store your stuff on the web, not on the pod. Use .mac or your ISP's web hosting service. 16 gb is plenty when you have extra storage on the web.

go ahead, whiners, start whining

How many times are you going to post the exact same sentence?

Nice that you accuse anyone who disagrees with your assertion a "whiner". That's a great way to invite reasonable discussion.

article from Computerworld: touch is a laptop replacement:

"Oh, and for those already whining about that "paltry" 16GB of storage space on the $399 model? Look for the ability to stream media from your home computer/server in the next few months."

http://www.computerworld.com/action/...intsrc=hm_list

Quote: (Originally Posted by Surf Monkey)
How many times are you going to post the exact same sentence?

Nice that you accuse anyone who disagrees with your assertion a "whiner". That's a great way to invite reasonable discussion.

I guess it would work occasionally, but its not worth it. What about on vacation, where there is no wi-fi, or on your car, or on the airplane, etc.

You cant acess your .mac account from any of these places, and its places like these where I wonder what I would do if I didn't have an iPod

You guys are totally missing the point. The touch is about the WEB REVOLUTION. It's not about lugging around 80 gig bricks, or laptops. It's about seamlessly connecting to the web anywhere and having all the docs you need at your fingertips, just in time.

Huge hard drives are the DINOSAURS, left over from the old 'desktop age'. Apple should STOP MAKING 80 gig 'pods because they will be completely defunct in a year, replaced by this new web-based paradigm.

I live in Fredericton, New Brunswick, CA which, compared to most North American cities, is a backwater. But it's the first city in Canada to have free city-wide WiFi. If Fredericton can do it, for chrissakes, any other city or town in North America can do the same.

Great so I can put movies up on my server, then get a MPAA take down notice all on my fancy ipod with wifi!!! Wow what a great idea. Or I could store all my movies on my ipod and carry them with me. Unless solid state storage comes down to $1 a gig, i don't see hard drive leaving any time soon.

That is one of the most idiotic things I've ever heard. Even if you upload your songs to the internet, you would have to use the Safari browser to access it, which it just much more hassle, plus it includes download times. Also, you would not be able to use the simple features of the iPod, like coverflow, the now-playing interface, and song selection from a list. It is nothing like having the songs on your iPod. Plus, people who live in places with low connectivity (Like half of the US in the desert and in the country) will not be able to use this watered-down feature (even though they probably wouldn't want it)

It's stupid how touch fanboys have to think of all these things to try to excuse the fact that the storage on the touch sucks. I shouldn't have to remove 5/6 of my liabrary or settle for listening to something on a web browser. It's simple, the storage on the touch sucks, and nothing you suggest will be able to replace that.

My experience with my 60 Gig 4G is that I only used 15 gig for music, and that was my whole 'favorites' collection. 60 gig was a complete waste of money and space.

After one year the hard drive quit and its now a 60 gig paperweight. Dead.

I wanted the flash drive of the Nano because its rock solid. 8gb wasn't enough to keep me happy but 16 gb was enough to get me in the door, plus a million other apps.

I'd rather have 16 gig that actually works than 120 gig paperweight.

Quote: (Originally Posted by gtompkins48)
That is one of the most idiotic things I've ever heard. Even if you upload your songs to the internet, you would have to use the Safari browser to access it, which it just much more hassle, plus it includes download times. Also, you would not be able to use the simple features of the iPod, like coverflow, the now-playing interface, and song selection from a list. It is nothing like having the songs on your iPod. Plus, people who live in places with low connectivity (Like half of the US in the desert and in the country) will not be able to use this watered-down feature (even though they probably wouldn't want it)

It's stupid how touch fanboys have to think of all these things to try to excuse the fact that the storage on the touch sucks. I shouldn't have to remove 5/6 of my liabrary or settle for listening to something on a web browser. It's simple, the storage on the touch sucks, and nothing you suggest will be able to replace that.

Quote: (Originally Posted by suedehead77)
article from Computerworld: touch is a laptop replacement:

"Oh, and for those already whining about that "paltry" 16GB of storage space on the $399 model? Look for the ability to stream media from your home computer/server in the next few months."

http://www.computerworld.com/action/...intsrc=hm_list

So, because that article called people dumb names, that makes it okay for you to do the same? Lame.

Quote: (Originally Posted by suedehead77)
You guys are totally missing the point. The touch is about the WEB REVOLUTION. It's not about lugging around 80 gig bricks, or laptops. It's about seamlessly connecting to the web anywhere and having all the docs you need at your fingertips, just in time.

Huge hard drives are the DINOSAURS, left over from the old 'desktop age'. Apple should STOP MAKING 80 gig 'pods because they will be completely defunct in a year, replaced by this new web-based paradigm.

I live in Fredericton, New Brunswick, CA which, compared to most North American cities, is a backwater. But it's the first city in Canada to have free city-wide WiFi. If Fredericton can do it, for chrissakes, any other city or town in North America can do the same.

Hogwash. The only reason iPod Touch doesn't have a hard drive is that Apple prefers solid state memory in the device. Gives them the ability to make it thin and sexy. Your assertion that "Huge hard drives are DINOSAURS, left over from the old 'desktop age'" is absurd. Reality contradicts you. Large portable storage systems abound. We see more and more of them every day. Watch the capacity of the iPod Touch over the next two years. It'll go up and up and up. No matter how cool it may sound to you, remote storage is never going to completely replace localized storage. There'll always be a combination of the two.

Quote: (Originally Posted by suedehead77)
My experience with my 60 Gig 4G is that I only used 15 gig for music, and that was my whole 'favorites' collection. 60 gig was a complete waste of money and space.

Right. So that's what it comes down to. You're another ####### who thinks he knows exactly how much storage people need, how they should use their iPods and where their files should be. We've been over this subject ad nauseum. No reason to go back into it IMO.

Quote: (Originally Posted by Jim Shoe)
Great so I can put movies up on my server, then get a MPAA take down notice all on my fancy ipod with wifi!!! Wow what a great idea. Or I could store all my movies on my ipod and carry them with me. Unless solid state storage comes down to $1 a gig, i don't see hard drive leaving any time soon.

Heh. I bought a 320GB External for 100 bucks. Which means it was about 32 cents per gig. That was a good deal!

Quote: (Originally Posted by Surf Monkey)
Right. So that's what it comes down to. You're another ####### who thinks he knows exactly how much storage people need, how they should use their iPods and where their files should be. We've been over this subject ad nauseum. No reason to go back into it IMO.

Excuse me, are you totally paranoid? I have no control over how much storage people get in their products. Apple is running the show, not me. I'm just a consumer. Take it easy, bro.

I have hours of video on my iPod, much over 16gb and I'm not going to get a touch because it will not hold everything I have. People tell me I should "put on less stuff" or do this internet crap, but the point is, the storage on the touch sucks, and I'd take the classic over it any day. I don't need/want a touchscreen so much that I'm going to sacrifice most of my liabrary for it. And I am perfectly fine with waiting 5 years until one with a good storage size comes out.

I'm starting to realize that the argument is about here. I view the "Touch" as a mobile web device vs. others who view it as an "iPod". Storage is secondary to me; I don't think of it as a media storage and playback device. I'm into all the apps, all the connectivity, the ability to get online anywhere.

I wish they would give it a different name, like 'Touch-mobile' or something. I don't even think of it as an 'iPod' in the conventional sense. I didn't buy it to play back music and videos, although I'm glad it has that capability. I bought it as a potentially revolutionary wi-fi device.

So that's what all this misunderstanding is about.

Quote: (Originally Posted by gtompkins48)
I have hours of video on my iPod, much over 16gb and I'm not going to get a touch because it will not hold everything I have. People tell me I should "put on less stuff" or do this internet crap, but the point is, the storage on the touch sucks, and I'd take the classic over it any day. I don't need/want a touchscreen so much that I'm going to sacrifice most of my liabrary for it. And I am perfectly fine with waiting 5 years until one with a good storage size comes out.