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Luminocity · 05-18-2003, 04:28 PM

I have a Gen 3 Ipod and have experienced all of the bugs / issues, especially the frequent resets required, that so many have encountered.

Environmental config:
Wintel platform
Win2K
Ephpod
Gen3 Ipod - 30 gigs

While trying to determine the scenario that might cause the lockup issues, I discovered that if I reset the Ipod each time as soon as I undock it (click the eject icon) before I unplug the fire wire connection, I no longer get the sporadic lockups on my unit. The last time I connected the Ipod to my desktop PC was 3 days ago and I have not had one single lockup since then! I also have not experienced the dreaded "silent music playing" since employing this new technique. Before this discovery, I had to reset my Pod 4 to 5 times per day. I also experienced the "silent music playing" issue at least once per day.

This makes sense when you think about it. When you disconnect the older generation Ipods, the Apple logo displays for a bit and the hard drive makes some access sounds as if the unit were being reset. I just tried this with my old 20 gig unit and it seems for all the world that the unit does indeed automatically go through a full reset as soon as I unplug the fire wire cable. My conclusion is that with older Ipods, the unit undergoes a forced reset each time you unplug the fire wire connector.

I know that being able to immediately play music on the Pod (after performing an eject) without having to unplug the fire wire connection is one of the new Gen3 Ipod features that Apple is touting. In this case there is definitely no reset. It is at this point in the process that I have found manually performing a reset results in a perfectly stable Ipod.

Could this attempt by Apple to avoid a reset (allow users to use the Pod without having to physically unplug the fire wire connection) be the source (or one of the sources) of the infamous lockup and silent playing issues in the 3rd generation units???

Please experiment with these two scenarios and let's see if they resolve your lockup and silent playing issues.

Scenario 1:
1. eject Ipod but leave connected to fire wire
2. Manually reset Ipod
3. Unplug fire wire connection
4. Use Ipod and see if any issues are resolved

Scenario 2:
1. Eject Ipod and unplug the fire wire connection
2. Manually reset Ipod
3. Use Ipod and see if any issues are resolved

tastewar · 05-21-2003, 08:22 AM

It's an interesting theory and makes a certain amount of sense, but at best that strategy should only prevent one subsequent lockup. After a reset (either a freely chosen one, like your suggestion, or a "forced" one due to lockup), the iPod should know nothing about its previous history, except for what's on the HD. Can't see how it could matter later on, whether the first reset post disconnect was voluntary (i.e. your suggestion) or involuntary.

But I'll be very interested to hear others' experiences.

Luminocity · 05-21-2003, 10:12 PM

Scenario 1:
1. eject Ipod but leave connected to fire wire
2. Manually reset Ipod
3. Unplug fire wire connection
4. Use Ipod and see if any issues are resolved
------------------------------------------------------------------

Ok, so I now know that scenario 1 makes no sense because reseting the iPod while still connected to the PC just results in the iPod getting mounted again. So we can scratch that one.

I will note however that this afternoon after connecting the iPod to my PC and loading some music, I skipped the reset procedure described in scenario 2 and went right to playing some music. Sure enough the iPod refused to turn on later on my bus ride home. Had to reset it to get it to power up.

I have been using scenario 2 for about a week and the iPod has not misbehaved at all during that time. I am going to experiment some more with this to see if I can replicate these results.

I can't help wondering if the iPod ends up in some kind of weird state if you play music right away without a reset after undocking. Is that why the old iPods appear to peform a reset after undocking????

Has anyone else tried scenario 2 and found that the iPod "misbehavior" was reduced.

tipster · 05-22-2003, 12:39 PM

No, but you can bet I will if I can ever get this dran thing to let me disconnect it... still showing the 'do not disconnect' msg and my battery is almost drained. Wondering if that is part of the reason. Will let you know if it helps my problems.

gregscha · 05-23-2003, 02:18 PM

Since I read the suggestion, I have been using #2 and resetting my 15GB Ipod as soon as I take it out of the dock. In 3 full days of use since starting that routine it has worked perfectly. Started every time and no incidents of turning on with no music playing.

Thanks for the suggestion. maybe not foolproof, but it is a definate improvement.

tipster · 05-23-2003, 02:25 PM

I've had the same success with this technique. It's not convenient, but beats the alternative.

Hopefully this will be corrected in future firmware upgrades.

Thx again Luminocity...

Luminocity · 05-23-2003, 02:27 PM

That is great to hear! Please post back in few days and let us know if this continues to work for you.

Things continue to work smoothly for me too. I'm feeling more and more certain that this is a viable workaround. Hoping more folks will try this and post their results.

tipster · 06-02-2003, 11:10 AM

Quote:

Scenario 2:
1. Eject Ipod and unplug the fire wire connection
2. Manually reset Ipod
3. Use Ipod and see if any issues are resolved

Still works! I think this is the solution until Apple releases a patch...hopefully.

WildTexas.com · 06-03-2003, 09:16 PM

Doesn't solve the problem when the 'Pod locks up all by itself, without ever being plugged into a PC or Mac prior to it's last good on/off cycle. Glad to hear a technique's been found to solve one of the lockups/no sound experiences folks are having, though.

gregscha · 06-04-2003, 07:19 PM

It's been two weeks now and I reset the Ipod every time I undock it from the computer, or unplug it from recharging using the AC adapter. Knock on wood, but it hasn't locked up or had the no sound experience since.

Luminocity · 06-04-2003, 10:10 PM

Thanks to all that have provided feeback!

I still have not had a single lockup or silent playing episode since using this workaround. I hope others who are experiencing these two issues will try out this technique.

i satellite · 06-10-2003, 04:33 PM

Thanks for the tips guys...I've had the same "silent music" issues the past two days and was going crazy trying to figure it out. Nice to know there's some sort of fix.

c.c.r. · 06-10-2003, 04:58 PM

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SwarbyMcNibbons · 06-15-2003, 08:27 PM

I've been getting the silent playing problem on my 3G 10g regardless of a firewire connection. I get it often after the ipod either turns off automatically or I manually turn it off, then turn it on by hitting the play/pause button or wheel button.

One solution I've found is to turn it off (hold down play/pause for 3 seconds), then turn it on again with the MENU button.

TheChad · 06-21-2003, 01:59 PM

I had a 30gig iPod that would have to be reset all the time. I took it into the Apple Store, and they replaced that one with another. This was is interesting though, occassionaly when I turn it on in a normal startup to play situation, the iPod shows the Apple Logo like it's resetting itself without me telling it to.

It would just be sitting on my desk, I'd tap play, it'd "reset" then start, which my first one never did. They had the same 2.0.0 firmware on them, and I was like WTF, but it would work fine after that.

I've now upgraded the firmware, but haven't really gotten to toy around with it yet. We shall see.

05-18-2003, 04:28 PM	#1
Luminocity Freshman Lounger Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 23	Possible Workaround for Lockups and No Sound While Playing Issues I have a Gen 3 Ipod and have experienced all of the bugs / issues, especially the frequent resets required, that so many have encountered. Environmental config: Wintel platform Win2K Ephpod Gen3 Ipod - 30 gigs While trying to determine the scenario that might cause the lockup issues, I discovered that if I reset the Ipod each time as soon as I undock it (click the eject icon) before I unplug the fire wire connection, I no longer get the sporadic lockups on my unit. The last time I connected the Ipod to my desktop PC was 3 days ago and I have not had one single lockup since then! I also have not experienced the dreaded "silent music playing" since employing this new technique. Before this discovery, I had to reset my Pod 4 to 5 times per day. I also experienced the "silent music playing" issue at least once per day. This makes sense when you think about it. When you disconnect the older generation Ipods, the Apple logo displays for a bit and the hard drive makes some access sounds as if the unit were being reset. I just tried this with my old 20 gig unit and it seems for all the world that the unit does indeed automatically go through a full reset as soon as I unplug the fire wire cable. My conclusion is that with older Ipods, the unit undergoes a forced reset each time you unplug the fire wire connector. I know that being able to immediately play music on the Pod (after performing an eject) without having to unplug the fire wire connection is one of the new Gen3 Ipod features that Apple is touting. In this case there is definitely no reset. It is at this point in the process that I have found manually performing a reset results in a perfectly stable Ipod. Could this attempt by Apple to avoid a reset (allow users to use the Pod without having to physically unplug the fire wire connection) be the source (or one of the sources) of the infamous lockup and silent playing issues in the 3rd generation units??? Please experiment with these two scenarios and let's see if they resolve your lockup and silent playing issues. Scenario 1: 1. eject Ipod but leave connected to fire wire 2. Manually reset Ipod 3. Unplug fire wire connection 4. Use Ipod and see if any issues are resolved Scenario 2: 1. Eject Ipod and unplug the fire wire connection 2. Manually reset Ipod 3. Use Ipod and see if any issues are resolved Last edited by Luminocity; 05-19-2003 at 05:01 PM.

05-21-2003, 10:12 PM	#3
Luminocity Freshman Lounger Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 23	Scenario 1: 1. eject Ipod but leave connected to fire wire 2. Manually reset Ipod 3. Unplug fire wire connection 4. Use Ipod and see if any issues are resolved ------------------------------------------------------------------ Ok, so I now know that scenario 1 makes no sense because reseting the iPod while still connected to the PC just results in the iPod getting mounted again. So we can scratch that one. I will note however that this afternoon after connecting the iPod to my PC and loading some music, I skipped the reset procedure described in scenario 2 and went right to playing some music. Sure enough the iPod refused to turn on later on my bus ride home. Had to reset it to get it to power up. I have been using scenario 2 for about a week and the iPod has not misbehaved at all during that time. I am going to experiment some more with this to see if I can replicate these results. I can't help wondering if the iPod ends up in some kind of weird state if you play music right away without a reset after undocking. Is that why the old iPods appear to peform a reset after undocking???? Has anyone else tried scenario 2 and found that the iPod "misbehavior" was reduced. Last edited by Luminocity; 05-22-2003 at 08:44 AM.

05-23-2003, 02:18 PM	#5
gregscha Freshman Lounger Join Date: May 2003 Location: Grass Valley, CA Posts: 15	Scenario 2 Since I read the suggestion, I have been using #2 and resetting my 15GB Ipod as soon as I take it out of the dock. In 3 full days of use since starting that routine it has worked perfectly. Started every time and no incidents of turning on with no music playing. Thanks for the suggestion. maybe not foolproof, but it is a definate improvement.

06-03-2003, 09:16 PM	#9
WildTexas.com Junior Lounger Join Date: May 2003 Location: San Antonio, Texas Posts: 61	Doesn't solve the problem when the 'Pod locks up all by itself, without ever being plugged into a PC or Mac prior to it's last good on/off cycle. Glad to hear a technique's been found to solve one of the lockups/no sound experiences folks are having, though. __________________ - Shannon Wild Texas <http://www.wildtexas.com/> Guide to Texas parks, nature, travel & outdoor recreation

06-10-2003, 04:58 PM	#13
c.c.r. Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 2,368	If I've ever seen a thread that needed to be stickied, it's this one. Good work, loungers. You guys continue to make iPodlounge.com *the* iPod resource on the internet. Also, I have given this thread a rating of 5. I'd like to encourage each of you to take advantage of vBulletin's ratings system to mark this thread as helpful or non-helpful, as you like. The dropdown is in the bottom right. Rating threads lets people know what to read and what not to. It's a good eye-catcher when viewing the forums. Last edited by c.c.r.; 06-10-2003 at 05:00 PM.

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05-21-2003, 08:22 AM	#2
tastewar Junior Lounger Join Date: May 2003 Location: Arlington, MA USA Posts: 28	It's an interesting theory and makes a certain amount of sense, but at best that strategy should only prevent one subsequent lockup. After a reset (either a freely chosen one, like your suggestion, or a "forced" one due to lockup), the iPod should know nothing about its previous history, except for what's on the HD. Can't see how it could matter later on, whether the first reset post disconnect was voluntary (i.e. your suggestion) or involuntary. But I'll be very interested to hear others' experiences. __________________ tastewar Tom Stewart 15 GB iPod

05-22-2003, 12:39 PM	#4
tipster Freshman Lounger Join Date: May 2003 Location: TX Posts: 12	No, but you can bet I will if I can ever get this dran thing to let me disconnect it... still showing the 'do not disconnect' msg and my battery is almost drained. Wondering if that is part of the reason. Will let you know if it helps my problems.

05-23-2003, 02:25 PM	#6
tipster Freshman Lounger Join Date: May 2003 Location: TX Posts: 12	I've had the same success with this technique. It's not convenient, but beats the alternative. Hopefully this will be corrected in future firmware upgrades. Thx again Luminocity...

05-23-2003, 02:27 PM	#7
Luminocity Freshman Lounger Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 23	That is great to hear! Please post back in few days and let us know if this continues to work for you. Things continue to work smoothly for me too. I'm feeling more and more certain that this is a viable workaround. Hoping more folks will try this and post their results.

06-04-2003, 07:19 PM	#10
gregscha Freshman Lounger Join Date: May 2003 Location: Grass Valley, CA Posts: 15	It's been two weeks now and I reset the Ipod every time I undock it from the computer, or unplug it from recharging using the AC adapter. Knock on wood, but it hasn't locked up or had the no sound experience since.

06-04-2003, 10:10 PM	#11
Luminocity Freshman Lounger Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 23	Thanks to all that have provided feeback! I still have not had a single lockup or silent playing episode since using this workaround. I hope others who are experiencing these two issues will try out this technique.

06-10-2003, 04:33 PM	#12
i satellite Freshman Lounger Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 3	Thanks for the tips guys...I've had the same "silent music" issues the past two days and was going crazy trying to figure it out. Nice to know there's some sort of fix.

06-15-2003, 08:27 PM	#14
SwarbyMcNibbons Freshman Lounger Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: NYC Posts: 2	I've been getting the silent playing problem on my 3G 10g regardless of a firewire connection. I get it often after the ipod either turns off automatically or I manually turn it off, then turn it on by hitting the play/pause button or wheel button. One solution I've found is to turn it off (hold down play/pause for 3 seconds), then turn it on again with the MENU button.

06-21-2003, 01:59 PM	#15
TheChad Freshman Lounger Join Date: May 2003 Location: Cincinnati, Ohio Posts: 19	I had a 30gig iPod that would have to be reset all the time. I took it into the Apple Store, and they replaced that one with another. This was is interesting though, occassionaly when I turn it on in a normal startup to play situation, the iPod shows the Apple Logo like it's resetting itself without me telling it to. It would just be sitting on my desk, I'd tap play, it'd "reset" then start, which my first one never did. They had the same 2.0.0 firmware on them, and I was like WTF, but it would work fine after that. I've now upgraded the firmware, but haven't really gotten to toy around with it yet. We shall see. __________________ \| My Blog \|

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