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Old 09-08-2007, 10:35 PM
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Beware: iPod Classic stutters

I was in an Apple store today to try the iPod Classic and I couldn't believe that it stutters. I wrote a blog post about it here.

I'd make sure you really want this unit before you buy one...or wait for Apple to fix it.
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Old 09-08-2007, 10:41 PM
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That's really weird, mine doesn't do that at all. Hopefully this isn't a bug...

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Hello and welcome to iLounge. I guess a big chunk of it depends on the type of music that they use on the demo iPods. I knew one store where they put Apple Lossless songs on the unit. That would cause stuttering more so than putting normal mp3 or AAC files. High bitrate files might also contribute to processor load thus making those other functions load as they did (and the music play as it did). I would ask a technician there what type of music files are on the iPod. If they say Apple lossless then that might be the cause of everything in that the majority of the processor is being used to playback those lossless files.

However, being an iPod owner for 4 years now (close to 5), I have never ever rapidly pushed the center button while playing a song. I always slowly push buttons. I can get the 5G's firmware to stutter (or even freeze) if I rapidly go in and out of photos/videos. Every iPod has their problem whenever you do things too quickly. Remember, these aren't notebooks or palm top computers, they are meant for carrying around your media. The processor is not meant to take a lot of strain.

So I don't think it is anything to worry about as I can get every generation iPod that I own to freeze or for the firmware to stutter and I own a 3G, 4G, 2G Mini, and 5G (though I currently only use the 5G and the 2G iPod shuffle).



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This was a problem with the original release of the 5G..it was sluggish but eventually a firmware update fixed this.



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I think the dude was just looking to hype his own slam on Apple in his blog. Wonder if Warner's lawyers have sent him a letter yet about his use of the Porky Pig clip?
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It does seem kinda strange that he would register today (or sometime in September), come on iPod forums where he knows that many people who support the iPod are, and advertise for his blog. Seems a little suspicious to me in that he just wanted to get some hits on his website. I don't know though, let's see if they reply back.



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I think the dude was just looking to hype his own slam on Apple in his blog. Wonder if Warner's lawyers have sent him a letter yet about his use of the Porky Pig clip?
Not at all. Rather than rewrite the post here, I simply linked to it. The Porky Pig image is from Wikipedia.
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It does seem kinda strange that he would register today (or sometime in September), come on iPod forums where he knows that many people who support the iPod are, and advertise for his blog. Seems a little suspicious to me in that he just wanted to get some hits on his website. I don't know though, let's see if they reply back.
I understand why you question my motives. Let me tell you why I posted here: I didn't see anyone else discussing this flaw.

This is the iPod community, right? You guys are supposedly interested in these products, no? This is the iPod Classic forum, right?

The responses to this thread are typical of Apple fan boy forums: we can't dispute the message, so lets tar the messenger.
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Old 09-09-2007, 10:08 AM
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I haven't had a chance to listen to the iPods yet

but I did go to an apple store and see them, they look ALOT nicer in person than on the website.

I hate how there was velvet rope around some cocky douche bag who was guarding the iPods, and you had to ask "oh please, your mac-fanboy apple douchebaggieness, I request an iPod from behind your velvet rope...!"

####in asshat, wanted to punch that guy in the face....
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Hello and welcome to iLounge. I guess a big chunk of it depends on the type of music that they use on the demo iPods. I knew one store where they put Apple Lossless songs on the unit. That would cause stuttering more so than putting normal mp3 or AAC files. High bitrate files might also contribute to processor load thus making those other functions load as they did (and the music play as it did).
Woah, if the device is advertised as saying apple lossless files work, well then it should work. Likewise high bitrate files, they should work fine too.

I recall there was some serious problems with variable bitrate MP3 files on the iPod mini, but these were all solved for the nano (they SHOULD'VE been solved for the mini via a firmware upgrade, but Apple never bothered).

My guess is this was a one off dud unit, with maybe a faulty hard disc. I strongly doubt this is a serious issue with all classics.
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Old 09-09-2007, 10:25 AM
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Woah, if the device is advertised as saying apple lossless files work, well then it should work. Likewise high bitrate files, they should work fine too.
Well, we should wait until more than one person with a blog trolling for hits confirms this before jumping to conclusions, don't you think?

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I recall there was some serious problems with variable bitrate MP3 files on the iPod mini, but these were all solved for the nano (they SHOULD'VE been solved for the mini via a firmware upgrade, but Apple never bothered).
There were never serious problems with VBR mp3s on minis, there were a few people who experienced weirdness and complained loudly, but you can't fix what you can't replicate. In my mini days I was using mostly APExtreme LAME mp3s and they worked 100% of the time flawlessly, they worked 100% flawlessly on my wife's mini, and they worked 100% flawlessly on my friend's mini. ALAC also worked fine on my mini.

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My guess is this was a one off dud unit, with maybe a faulty hard disc. I strongly doubt this is a serious issue with all classics.
Accurate or not (just what is "pressing the center button rapidly"?), the poster clearly states that it was every single classic he was able to try, so, no.
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Well, we should wait until more than one person with a blog trolling for hits confirms this before jumping to conclusions, don't you think?
I was replying to KornChild who seemd to imply that large files can cause iPods to skip. I was simply proposing that this shouldn't happen, if the device says it can play the files, then the bitrate shouldn't matter.
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There were never serious problems with VBR mp3s on minis, there were a few people who experienced weirdness and complained loudly, but you can't fix what you can't replicate. In my mini days I was using mostly APExtreme LAME mp3s and they worked 100% of the time flawlessly, they worked 100% flawlessly on my wife's mini, and they worked 100% flawlessly on my friend's mini. ALAC also worked fine on my mini.
There's lots of threads on Hydrogen Audio with people who had problems. It was a known issue that Apple never addressed.
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Not at all. Rather than rewrite the post here, I simply linked to it. The Porky Pig image is from Wikipedia.
For the record, you may want to have a read of our Forum Policy. We do tend to frown upon people coming in and demonstrating what could certainly be construed as self-promotion.

Reposting would have certainly been preferable to linking, and the only reason that this thread is still here is that the issue itself seems to be of some possible relevance.

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The responses to this thread are typical of Apple fan boy forums: we can't dispute the message, so lets tar the messenger.
While some responses may certainly feel that way, the simple reason is that most users are not experiencing this problem yet, and that there may be other issues at hand here than just an inherent case of the new iPod being broken.

I'd certainly be more than interested to hear reports from others who have experienced similar problems, and while we'll take what you say at face value, the issue feels like FUD being spread for the purposes of driving traffic to your own blog (not saying this is what you are doing, but take a moment to understand how it can easily be perceived this way -- this is a busy forum, and we get a lot of posts like this, many of which don't last for more than a few hours).



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Old 09-09-2007, 12:36 PM
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There's lots of threads on Hydrogen Audio with people who had problems. It was a known issue that Apple never addressed.
And there were lots of threads on here, that still doesn't make it a known issue in the sense of one that Apple could have addressed. If only a tiny percentage of all the VBR mp3s cause a problem on a tiny percentage of the tens of millions of minis, and nobody ever determined what the cause was, what would Apple (or any manufacturer) do to address the "problem"? To address an IT problem you first have to be able to replicate it, that couldn't be done. I myself downloaded and played without problem some of the mp3s that people said were causing problems on their iPods. Then, assuming you can replicate it, which you couldn't, you've got to be able to find the root of the problem, and if you can do that, you then have to determine if it can be fixed and if it's worth doing so. Since the VBR mp3 issue never got past whining on web forums, that's where it stayed. Apple can't address a problem that was most likely either simply some circuitry based flaw in a handful of iPods, or even something related to the precise encoding options used to create the files in the first place.

Also, stuttering with large files was merely conjecture. iPod minis had problems with files that went longer than four hours, but it wasn't skipping in the sense described here, rather they would just suddenly jump to the end of the file. A 4 hour mp3 is significantly longer than your typical lossless track. In my experience, lossless files play back just as smoothly on old iPods as they *should* on the new ones, however, with only one person reporting what you'd think would be all over the forums by now if true, I am skeptical.
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Old 09-09-2007, 12:50 PM
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No he's not jiving anyone here. I for one have experienced at least a half dozen stutters if not more on my 160. All my cd's have been ripped to mp3 160 kpbs.

I've had this happen right in the middle of a track (while I'm not even touching a single function on the ipod). I've had stutters from milliseconds down to 1-2 seconds. It's crap. I've been wanting to upgrade my collection to 192 kpbs. This product shouldn't jump, skip, stutter no matter what quality of audio/video you put in it, period. And it does feel like it's all coming from this coverflow function.

Going in and out of menus seems to be pretty quirky too. If this is not a bug, I really hope a firmware update will fix this.
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