Greatest nu-medal album?

[esb9588]

Well, we have a thread asking what the greatest rock album of all time is, but some of the responses show that there are some people here (me included) who aren't into all the classic stuf and just listen to Nu-medal (as modern rock seems to be called), probably just because of their age. This refers to bands like Linkin Park, Limp Bizkit, Staind, Puddle of Mudd, Cold and the like. So what do you think the greatest Nu-medal album is?

I'd have to go with Linkin Park's Hybrid Theory. There was not a bad song on the disk and there were even a few that I thought were better than any of the radio singles.

[SalsaVibe]

Limp Bizkit's first album was pretty great .. but now they are nu-suk.

I would have to go with Hoobastank... If you can call them "nu-metal"

[dannym]

I would have to say that my vote is split between the deftones and tool. Yet nu-metal is something that continues to evolve and I tend to love the genre as a whole!

[SalsaVibe]

OH MY GOD... how could I forget Tool....


Deftones is great as well.. but TOOL (IMO) is a great band...

[dannym]

Yes tool is one of the greatest bands of our time, they certainly have created some of the most brilliant songs lyrically, vocally,instrumentally.

[reorx24]

First, tool in NOT nu-metal. Never was, never will be. They are more into that heavy prog-rock vibe, and have been around way before nu-metal was even a glimmer in Fred Durst's eyes. They are one of my favorite bands, and my ipod is probly sick to death of Aenima coz i play it all the time.

As for my vote for the greatest nu-metal (not medal, dude) album, id narrow it down to Linkin Park's Hybrid Theory, Limp Bizkit's Significant Other (cant deny the impact Nookie, Break Stuff and Rollin had on the genre), and probly System of a Down's Toxicity. I'd give the honor to SOAD. This band IMHO, is the sole saving grace of the nu-metal genre, giving it the edge and street-cred it sorely needs (most nu-metal bands are deemed corporate sell-outs and poseurs).

[stasyna]

LOL!

the last guy there... pretty smart with genres... SOAD isnt nu-metal mate. LB Sig Other was total crap.

Deftones paved the way for Linkin Park and LB, who suck at what they do. Repeat the chorus 10 times, and add 2 lines of different lyrics, you call that music?

Listen to slayer or pantera if you want the real metal. Linkin Park jams hard for 1 or 2 chorus loops, and do some rap for the rest of the song.

Limp Bizkit threw some songs on there that he knew would sell because they had a hard mid-section rip which white america loves. Listen to Sig Other 4 or 5 times and you're sick to hell of it.

Listen to deftones if u want the real sh*t.

[SalsaVibe]

hahah I saw Fred Durst on MTV last night...

Such a friggin tool.....

The tune "Break Stuff" sounds like a parody

[stasyna]

Agreed.

He sold out after "3 dolla bill ya'll" along with his Korn possie buddy there. John Davis has to lip sync since his voice is such garbage, that's sad. Not like this genre requires an operatic voice.

[NiTRO]

The Greatest "n?-metal" band question reads like the "Who's on first? Who's on second" skit. There's no answer because there is no great n?-metal band.

Phenominal bands such as Tool, Deftones, RHCP and even to some degree NIN, may have laid the foundation for n?-metal but when the house was finally built something had gone very, very wrong!

[insert: These comments are just my opinion and are not intended to harm, offend or "bash" music genres or members of this forum. My opinion just happens to be negative in this case. :) ]

[esb9588]

Wow. I didn't realize you guys had so much time to waist. Is your goal in life to bash this type of music until your heart stops?

[SalsaVibe]

Did you just post a thread basically bashing poor little Avril Lavinge?


http://ipodlounge.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=5232

[esb9588]

I did not post it specificly to bash her. I posted it to ask exactly why some people (including critics) are treating her like the greatest artist of our day. I did not say "Listen to (insert name here) if you want the real sh*t" or make any other statement to insult her fans.

[NiTRO]

I think what bugs me about some of the n?-metal stuff is that there is this sense of rage and anger about it that is just not very authentic. Maynard from Tool displays anger, bitterness and rage in his music that is totally believable and original and is based on his past but Disturbed don't really seem disturbed to me...seems more like a marketing tool. Of course I know nothing about the past of Disturbed's lyricist but again that's just my sense.

I think I'm going to go rock out to the new Jane's Addiction record!

[SalsaVibe]

oh Yeah.. how about that.. I was excited to hear the Jane's Addiction was putting out a new album :)

[esb9588]

First of all, sorry if I misinterpretted some of the things you said. I just didn't want to get into a "Nu-metal sucks" thread.

NiTRO, while I don't listen to Tool, I understand what you mean about the anger, as a lot of these bands clearly have no reason for being angry except to sell records. If I knew that and then listened to a band whose vocalist clearly had a reason to be upset, I'd probably feel the same way.

[stasyna]

Originally posted by NiTRO
The Greatest "n?-metal" band question reads like the "Who's on first? Who's on second" skit. There's no answer because there is no great n?-metal band.

Phenominal bands such as Tool, Deftones, RHCP and even to some degree NIN, may have laid the foundation for n?-metal but when the house was finally built something had gone very, very wrong!

[insert: These comments are just my opinion and are not intended to harm, offend or "bash" music genres or members of this forum. My opinion just happens to be negative in this case. :) ]


Nine Inch Nails?

uhhhh... Trent doesnt rap. He creates "INDUSTRIAL" music. He didnt pave for the way for some "new" genre to be born, he brought industrial into the mainstream. He makes awesome, original music that requires a good ear, and hours of perfection. Not copied crap like Linkin Park, and poorly assembled music that screams "I am baddass, hear me roar" like Fred Durst.

[NiTRO]

Of course Trent doesn't rap and the NIN style hardly resembles that of Limp or any other nu-metal band but there are plenty of industrial sounds and concepts that have been adopted by nu-metal. Where did these originate? NIN. That's all I was saying. I'm not saying that NIN is a major influence on nu-metal. That's why prefaced my statement with "...to some degree NIN." I have far too much respect for Trent to discredit him by lumping him in with some of these bands.

Is it a prerequisite that a nu-metal band absolutely must rap?

Dang. Where did I lose that nu-metal guide book? :D

Speaking of nu-metal and Limp Bizkit: READ THIS! (http://www.suntimes.com/output/rock/cst-ftr-metal28.html)


Ouch.

[stasyna]

nu-metal bands must rap yes.

NUmetal is metal&rap combined.

[esb9588]

I guess any hope of this thread getting back on topic is gone, so I'll just continue the discussion...

I really can't believe that so many people hate this genre. I'll agree with all that's already been said about Limp Bizkit, but I don't think all nu-metal bands are this bad.

I also think I am a bit confused as to how the genre is defined. If Nu-metal only includes rap-rock bands like Linkin Park and Limp Bizkit, I guess I probably miss-titled this thread. I was also thinking about bands like Staind, Puddle of Mudd and the like. I guess a better title for this thread would have been "Best modern rock album?"

[NiTRO]

That's exactly it! I also commonly hear bands like Stained, Puddle of Mudd and Incubus put in the nu-metal category. That's why I made the tongue in cheek "guide book" comment a few posts ago. There is NO rule that states you must rap to be considered nu-metal. Nu-metal is just a stupid term like grunge that most hard rock bands seemed to be getting lumped into today. As much as I don't like some of these bands, I still think they should generally be categorized as hard rock. Sure bands like Limp can be categorized as rap-rock because that's more descriptive of what they do. But what really is the difference between Alice in Chains and Stained other than the listeners preference and time? They're both just rock & roll to me.

[reorx24]

pretty much all post-grunge rock seems to be "nu-metal" nowadays, from creed to godsmack, nickelback to linkin park. artists as diverse as system of a down, puddle of mudd and stone sour are all lumped together rather unfairly.

Most of the nu-metal haters are the so called old-skool rock and metal fans who view any new, fresh rock music as a threat to their way of headbanging. Really pathetic if you ask me. As music lovers, we should all be open-minded to new things and genres.

[Aries73]

Originally posted by reorx24
pretty much all post-grunge rock seems to be "nu-metal" nowadays, from creed to godsmack, nickelback to linkin park. artists as diverse as system of a down, puddle of mudd and stone sour are all lumped together rather unfairly.

Most of the nu-metal haters are the so called old-skool rock and metal fans who view any new, fresh rock music as a threat to their way of headbanging. Really pathetic if you ask me. As music lovers, we should all be open-minded to new things and genres.

A lot of the posters, though, are missing the point. "Nu-metal" basically evolved from the combined efforts of groups like Run-DMC/Aerosmith and Public Enemy/Anthrax. This "sub-genre" is not as new as some would believe it to be. I came to like Linkin Park's music since I was exposed to the combination of hip-hop and metal much earlier.

Also, nu-metal bands seem to be able to string together a few more coherent sentences than the grunge and alternative (whatever THAT means) bands of the 90's. Before anyone readies their arrows, how many of you actually understood what those bands were saying?

[NiTRO]

'90s "grunge" was spun into a large category so it depends on which "those bands" you're talking about. If you want to discuss the core Seattle bands such as Alice in Chains, Pearl Jam, Soungarden, Nirvana, etc... That's a very tough arguement to make. These guys were not only unique for their time but well educated, diverse, and eloquent in their lyrical content and delivery.

Interestingly enough early '90s "grunge" was known for being heavy with meaning and rich with poetic reference which is why bands with a much lighter message like Green Day, The Offspring and No Doubt were seen as such a breath of fresh air in the mid/late '90s. The message was intelligent and challenging but after 4-5 years people wanted a change toward more light hearted music. Call it what you want but it was far from incoherent.

Alice in Chains' Layne Stayley was known for dealing with his winless bout with heroin addiction up front and directly in his bold lyrics. Pearl Jam was/is known for their in your face political messages and nods to classic bands before them. Soundgarden's Chris Cornell's lyrics always seemed to be "outshined" by his amazing voice but he was/is an great lyricist in his own right. And finally Kurt Cobain. If you can't recognize the brilliance in his poetry...well I'll just stop there.

Even if you want to go to the next tier/generation of '90s bands with groups like STP, Candlebox, & Collective Soul, you may or may not like them but they were not they were not thought of lacking lyrical content either. They also frequesntly sang about political, religious, social and other issues.

Sure you could easily dig and come up with bands like 7 Mary 3 who were like 3rd or 4th generation "grunge" bands who were so watered down it didn't make a difference what they sang. By the way, what is Creed? 5th? 6th generation? ;)

Nevertheless it's all art and it's all great in the eye of the beholder.

[Cyburn]

LINKIN PARK all the WAY

[mndtrp]

If you consider Mudvayne to be nu-metal (which term I hate), then they would be it. Once you get past the stupid make-up, which they wisely did, their songwriting is pretty amazing. Time signature changes are kind of hard to do, and they pull it off well.

You can't deny the catchyness of Linkin Park though. Especially their live show. I also appreciate how they have gone about themselves, their business sense, how they have a hand in EVERYTHING they do, and genuinely seem to care about their fans.

[pseudocide]

Originally posted by esb9588
Wow. I didn't realize you guys had so much time to waist. Is your goal in life to bash this type of music until your heart stops?

or until nu-metal ceases to exist, whichever comes first

:) kthxbye!!!!!!!!!!!!

[KEZLA]

Regardless of the philosophy thats come into the debate my choice is ... Linkin Park: Hybrid theory still sounds good even now so I'm going for that :)

[IlIlIlIlIl]

I enjoyed both Hybrid Theory and Meteora.

[-James]

I suppose if i had to choose then i'd probably go for Limp Bizkit - Chocolate Starfish And The Hot Dog Flavoured Water or Linkin Park - Meteora, though i'm not partucularly into nu-metal.