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random person
05-13-2004, 12:03 PM
I just posted this detailed review of the UE5c on head-fi.org but I am resubmitting it here because every Ipod owner should know about these new canalphones! (I figured that would save you the hassle of clicking back and forth to head-fi to read the post.)

I received my UE5cs yesterday and have dropped everything to listen to music since then., I have to say that these beauties are simply astonishing -- they are tuned specifically for Ipods and similar portable equipment and drive the Ipod with complete authority without an amp. While I am sure that the UE10 is even better (three drivers vs two) I feel there is no compromise in buying the UE5c for portable use -- I frankly can't imagine better sound than the Ipod/UE5c combination.

First, this company is a delight to do business with. Attention to quality is evident from the moment you contact the company until the moment the phones arrive. I was quoted a seven-day turnaround time and indeed that was exactly true. While that week was among the longest in my life (there is nothing more excruciating than waiting around for a custom order!) I feel that it was a short time for a custom product.

The "Heavy Metal Flight Case" they are shipped in is gorgeous -- a conversation piece! Inside is a padded small slipcase for using the phones on a more portable basis, packaged with a cleaning tool and some instrucitons. The 'phones themselves are hard shell with a user-removeable braided cord. You can order the phones in any color you like -- they'll even match a swatch for you. I ordered the translucent Royal Blue (no hearing aid look for me!) They look like jewels in the ear and would never be mistaken for anything other than cool earphones. They can also be ordered in solid colors, including Ipod white, and the cords are available in clar, beige, black, etc. in two lengths -- 46 inches and 60 inches. Coming from the 60 inch Shure E3 I appreciate being able to downsize to 46 inches -- I was constantly sitting on the cord and yanking my head back as a result!

As for fit well it is hard to describe the sensation of placing these improbable-looking devices into your ears. Once you get the orientation right they just slide right in there -- just like they were made for you!! And while the UE5c is made entirely of hard cryllic for purposes of durability, I found them as comfortable as bedroom slippers for the ear. To be sure, you do know they are in there, but they are amazingly comfortable and indeed I have been wearing them for hours with no discomfort. They are a profound relief from the Shure foamies, which while nicely isolating definitely itch after a time and make you feel all stuffed up. These do not do that. The isolation is superb and the fit is quite tight. UE has you get your ear impressions with your mouth wide open -- as a result they are really tight even if you yawn. Indeed while I imagine they could be tighter still I find that prospect somewhat alarming as it takes some doing to remove them! I imagine that process will improve as I get more used to doing it.

The cord is designed to wrap around your ear and run down your back. There is a very short length of memory wire (maybe an inch or less) to aid in fitting them "just so" around your ears. The cord is thin but sturdy and there are no microphonics from it -- zero! I had some issues with microphonics from the memory wire as it rubbed against the temple of my glasses but after fiddling with it and adjusting it those sounds disappeared.

Now for the sound -- astonishingly good. The UE5c has exceptional detail and remarkable imaging for a canalphone -- better than many loudspeakers. There is a wonderful high end and the bass -- well the bass is superb: it throbs from the back of your neck yet manages to be tight, accurate, amazingly clear and never buzzy, muddy or boomy. But boy you feel it -- bass hounds will absolutely love these phones, no doubt about it!

For my listening I indulged in a wide variety of music. I am tough to please as I am a fan of all sorts of things, from classical to dance/trance to jazz to pop to rock to hiphop. One could argue that no one set of phones could do justice to all these genres -- but really the UE5c is a revelation across the board.

For a cut like Al Dimeola's "Mediterranean Sundance" the clarity of these phones is simply amazing. You can hear the rapid-fire plucking of every string, with each string coming out of each earpiece on an alternating basis. On classical cuts the kettle drum sounds feel like they are emanating from one of your temporal lobes -- vibrating after a soft mallet has been used. The achingly high notes of Paganinni's Violin Concerto No. 1 are chrystal clear but never harsh. The reverberation of Keith Jarrett's piano notes hang in the air long after his fingers leave each key. The cough in the audience for a Pincas Zuckerman Beethovan sonata makes you feel like you are sitting in the concert hall. Madonna's "American LIfe" electronic effects just blow you away. Nelly's "Hot in Here!" will get you on your feet! And the bass beat for Armin van Burren or Paul Van Dyke or Ibiza or any trance artist -- it's enough to get your heart and blood pumping to the beat. Simply amazing. There is no harshnss, no fatique in listening to any type of music I could find. And everything sounds new and delightful. It's like hearing your collection all over again.

As for the match with the Ipod well I can't imagine anything better. It drives the Ipod with complete authority. You can blow your head off at 50% of the Ipod's volume capacity and really can run it routinely at 30 - 40% and have mind-blowing powerful sound. There is no hissing or annoying artifacts. Almost all of my music is 162 AAC and only a fraction of it is recorded at higher quality but I had no complaints about sonic quality, nor did I feel annoyingly reminded that I was not listening to CD quality sound.

I had gone back and forth between the UE10 and the UE5c. I wanted the best but didn't want to feel I had gone overboard for my own needs -- exclusively Ipod listening, no amp, getting myself through gym workouts, that sort of thing. I am not a musician, will never hook these up to my Krell at home and would always want to listen to my B&W Silver Signature 30 speakers if I'm in the same room with them. So, I went with the UE5c because they are the first phones of their kind specifically designed with the Ipod in mind as a source device. I can assure you that to my at least mind there is no compromise involved in making this choice. The UE5c is amazing, and at $550 feels like an appropriate indulgence for audiophiles who want to get the most out of their Ipod investment. It is money well-spent and I can't imagine ever wanting anything to replace them.

The only traumatic thing is that all you can do is talk about them to others because you cannot share them! And it is a leap of faith because you can't try them before you buy them. All I can say is I feel certain you won't be disappointed. If you have an audiophile's ear you will find them amazing. And if you want bass to rock your world these are your canalphones!

My apologies for the long post.

kingsdude20
05-14-2004, 01:10 AM
Sounds good but a little on the expensive side

oldiedaman
05-14-2004, 06:55 AM
I dont think i could buy any accesory that cost mor than the iPod

AndyH
05-14-2004, 10:07 AM
Great review, thanks for taking the time for writing that up. It's reviews like this that make me want to purchase yet another set of canalphones. Hmmm, now which to go for...the Ultimate Ears 5C's or the ProPhonic Soft 2X.

random person
05-14-2004, 03:35 PM
Yes I hear you on the price issue. It does take some getting used to, the idea of spending that much money on earphones. But after trying the Shure E3 and doing more research and thinking hard about how important sound quality is, how much money I had already spent on inferior 'phones of various types, how much I missed my bass notes, how much I love my Ipod, etc. well then I kind of got used to the idea. Plus, I realized that in fact you could spend twice as much on quality earphones! So given all that $550 seemed like excercising some level of self restraint! You just gotta get used to the idea and feed your inner audio hound.

AndyH -- thanks for your kind words. From the looks of your collection it sounds like you absolutely need to round it out with another purchase! Just remember, with UE you can get any color you want -- way cool!

AndyH
05-14-2004, 03:48 PM
Originally posted by random person
AndyH -- thanks for your kind words. From the looks of your collection it sounds like you absolutely need to round it out with another purchase! Just remember, with UE you can get any color you want -- way cool!
LOL, yeah I *need* another set of 'phones ;) Maybe if I keep telling myself that, I'll start to believe it. :D

One of these days I'll probably give them a try, but right now I'm enjoying my E5's tremendously so I'll probably sit-tight for a while. Thanks again for the review.

dmt1
05-14-2004, 04:08 PM
Yeah, I second that--awesome review! I've been thinking about getting these myself--I figure the UE 10's are going to be overkill for the ipod, and that's the only place I'd use them--besides, the frequency response curve to the 5's is more in line with what I'm after.

Two things: what other canal phones have you tried (such as Shure E5's, Ety 4P's, etc.), and how do they compare? And more importantly, you mentioned using canal phones at the gym--how are they working out (pun intended) in this situation (I use mine at the gym as well)?

random person
05-14-2004, 08:54 PM
Hi dmt1!

Thanks to you too for your kind words! Frankly I was just so amazed by these earphones that I had to just write it all down and get it out of my system. Plus I think it helps all of us when we can read detailed impressions from actual users.

As for your questions. In canalphones I tried the usual cheapies (Sonys and the like -- horrible stuff) then most recently the Shure E3. I liked the E3 but was left thinking that I missed the visceral feeling of bass -- not that the bass wasn't there, it is there and nice and tight, but the really low ranges are kind of missing. Equalizing things didn't help matters. Also I would have had to continue to use foamies as the other sleeves do not provide me with much isolation. The foamies work but the whole process feels a bit grubby to me and I found myself thinking how nice it would be not to have a custom earpiece. So I investigated custom earpieces for the E3 and then thought that it seemed silly to spend another $100 - 150 to upgrade those phones when there were better options out there. Naturally I thought of the Shure E5c but when I found out about the full-custom Ultimate Ears option it seemed like it was a better move to upgrade to those and get them thoroughly customized -- the price difference seemed minor relative to the custom benefit. Plus the frequency chart on the UE site which compared the UE5c to the Shure 5C was very convincing.

So I guess my only legimite point of reference is the Shure E3 and as I stated in my prior post there is little point in comparing them. It's also now hard to do as I find myself unable to listen to the E3 now that I've heard the UE5c. But basically the issue comes down to detail, clarity, bass and imaging. The UE5c just thoroughly thrashes the E3 along every dimension. And like I said, I LIKE the E3! It's just that the UE5c is several orders of magnitude better.

As for the gym question well I well to the gym today and the UE5c's performed flawlessly! You put them in and they completely stay put without further adjustment -- even after running, stretching, lifting weights, sweating, the whole nine yards. There are no microphonics issues from the cord at all, and no "whomp" in the ears upon footstrike (I think they're fitted too tightly for that to happen). Isolation is excellent -- you hear essentially nothing but the music. No clanking of barbells, no yelling trainers, no bad music playing over worse loudspeakers. Not even the sound of your own footsteps on the treadmill -- you simply hear the music. Lastly there was never any loss of seal, even every so slightly, even after the usual set of big yawns after a tough workout. Nothing budges these puppies -- you plop em in and they stay there until you are ready to remove them. The fit is just superb!

Oh and you will be pleased to know that I have mastered the art of removing them -- first you need to break the seal by grasping the top and bottom of your ear and pulling in opposite directions. Once the seal is broken you can kind of unscrew them out.

Anyway for me the gym workout was the ultimate (heh!) acid test and the UE5c's were awesome!



So, vs the E3 there is simply no comparison

dmt1
05-14-2004, 10:10 PM
Thanks for that, and congratulations!

Think I know what I'm getting for my birthday now...

I have the Ety 4P's, and I really do love them, but the thought of dual drivers in a custom ear mold is so tempting. And looking at the UE5c's and sensaphonics, I'm leaning toward the UE5c's. My only concern was the relativly harder material on the UE5's, and potential loss of seal and comfort issues--but frankly all the input from people who own them has put those issues to rest.

SandMan
05-15-2004, 06:16 PM
Originally posted by AndyH
LOL, yeah I *need* another set of 'phones ;) Maybe if I keep telling myself that, I'll start to believe it. :D

One of these days I'll probably give them a try, but right now I'm enjoying my E5's tremendously so I'll probably sit-tight for a while. Thanks again for the review.

I'm gonna take AndyH's words to heart - well said. I like my E5s just fine and really don't *need* another set of phones right now either ... someday....

random person
05-16-2004, 09:09 AM
I'm sure that the E5's are great 'phones! I probably would have gone that direction myself if I hadn't gotten intrigued by the potential of a truly custom fit.

But just remember -- at these prices, *need* has precious little to do with it! It's all about desire!

Podkin
05-31-2004, 10:16 PM
Random Person --

Thanks so much for the AWESOME review of the Ultimate Ears UE5c. I have spent the better part of the last couple of days researching between Ultimate Ears, Shure, and Future Sonics. Your review has definitely pushed me toward the UE5cs ... I just need to come up with the funds. :)

I did want to ask you one question, though, to see if you might be in the same boat that I am. My left ear canal is apparently smaller than my right b/c any earphones I use always fall right out of my left ear, even assuming that I can get them in. I know it's probably a dumb question since these earphones are personalized for the customre, but I just want to make sure these are going to work before I drop $550.

Any further info or advice you have is appreciated!

MusicManiac
05-31-2004, 10:38 PM
Wow. I want UE's! I just ordered my ER-4s. AndyH, do you love your ER-4s? Mine are coming tomorrow, and I can't wait. My next step is the UE5cs and then the UE10 Pros! I want them! Thanks for the fabulous review

AndyH
05-31-2004, 11:03 PM
Originally posted by MusicManiac
Wow. I want UE's! I just ordered my ER-4s. AndyH, do you love your ER-4s? Mine are coming tomorrow, and I can't wait.
Hmmm, honestly...no, I don't love my ER-4P's. I find the bass to be weak compared to my Shure E5's. They are great earphones no doubt, just not my cup-of-tea.