WTF! 2G Touch doesn't get the new features in the nano or iphone!!!!!????

[keithnyc]

:confused:
This really sucks.....I moved from my first gen nano to the 2G touch (instead of following my first instinct of picking up the latest nano) assuming I'd get some of those music-related features being incorporated into the new Nano that were important to me, like crossfading (and please don't confuse this with gapless playback). Nope!!! :( It's in the new Nano, though.....

I also "assumed" that I'd get the "tactile feedback typing response" on the keyboard that the iphone users get. Nope. I guess they figure that feature is only important to the iphone users and not touch users who also email :confused:

We don't even get the shake to shuffle feature Apple is promoting for the new Nano,,,yet it was the gyro feature which makes this possible and was actually started in the iphone and touch. :confused: :mad:

What is the deal with this? It's a friggin' software line code, isn't it (at least the cross fade feature).

[Touchmyipod]

The iphone has no tactile feedback, where did you ever hear that? And it is called giving products identity, why would apple want everything essentially the same, they'd make less money for the diverse memebers of society, and their products would be bland if every thing, did the same exact stuff...dude you have a new touch, why not enjoy it and not focus on what it lacks, which you obviosuly didnt look into before buying it. Research does help ya know!

[kornchild2002]

Look at it this way: who doesn't the new iPod nano have wi-fi so we can browse and purchase music through the iTunes Store? Why doesn't the nano just use a large multi-touch screen instead of the age old clickwheel? Who does the iPod nano only last for 24 hours when playing audio on a single charge and not go for 36 hours like the iPod classic? Why is the iPod nano limited to 16GB of storage when the iPod touch goes up to 32GB? Why are the iPod shuffle and iPod classic the only iPods on the current market to not have some sort of motion sensitive features?

The point is that each iPod will have some features not offered in other models. The iPod classic has some features that aren't in the iPod touch and so does the iPod nano, the iPod touch also has features that are not in the other two portables. Tactile feedback is not coming to the iPhone so that is a mistake right there. I don't know where you heard that but the information is incorrect. There was a rumor not too long ago that Apple was going to add tactile feedback to the iPhone 3G but they didn't. The iPhone's screen cannot be indented to make the necessary small click for tactile feedback.

The reason why the "shake to shuffle" feature isn't coming to the iPod touch is because it appeals more to iPod nano users. Do you really think that people want to be shaking their $400 devices to make them shuffle? Not really. How about a $150 iPod nano? Sure, that device is more "sporty" and is tailored to the mass population while the iPod touch is more for high-end iPod users.

Crossfade playback is highly overrated. I would rather listen to albums and playlists gaplessly than with a 5 second crossfade. I never liked crossfade playback and never used it. It is a selling point for some user but they represent the minority as most people don't even know what crossfade playback is.

My main point is that if you want all of those features, go out and get a iPod nano. If you want an iPod that can browse the web, get a iPod touch. Get an iPhone if you want a cellphone and an iPod. Different iPods have different features with some of them being exclusive to that iPod model. The iPod shuffle is the only model to have a shuffle slider, the iPod nano is the only iPod to have the shake to shuffle feature, the iPod classic is the only iPod that can store so much and last for so long on a single charge, the iPod touch is the only one that can browse the internet and give one the ability to watch movies on a ~3" screen, and the iPhone is the only model that has all of the features of the iPod touch while being a cellphone.

[davea]

:confused:
This really sucks.....I moved from my first gen nano to the 2G touch (instead of following my first instinct of picking up the latest nano) assuming I'd get some of those music-related features being incorporated into the new Nano that were important to me, like crossfading (and please don't confuse this with gapless playback). Nope!!! :( It's in the new Nano, though.....

I also "assumed" that I'd get the "tactile feedback typing response" on the keyboard that the iphone users get. Nope. I guess they figure that feature is only important to the iphone users and not touch users who also email :confused:

We don't even get the shake to shuffle feature Apple is promoting for the new Nano,,,yet it was the gyro feature which makes this possible and was actually started in the iphone and touch. :confused: :mad:

What is the deal with this? It's a friggin' software line code, isn't it (at least the cross fade feature).

The iPhone doesn't have tactile feedback. :)

Not having "shake to shuffle" isn't a deal breaker. I think they dreamed that one up while one of the designers was high on drugs. I mean really, aren't you gonna look weird walking through the mall shaking the heck out of your music player? :)

Besides, Apple wants you to buy a Touch AND a Nano. C'mon, haven't you figured out their marketing methods yet? Version one leaves out a bunch of stuff, version 2 gives us a few more "goodies". Version 3 will do better. Version 4 will one-up 3, and so on, ad infinitum. NO iteration is going to be the end-all and be-all. Progress is where it's at. That's what keeps them in moolah. and us broke. :)

[trevpimp]

:confused:
This really sucks.....I moved from my first gen nano to the 2G touch (instead of following my first instinct of picking up the latest nano) assuming I'd get some of those music-related features being incorporated into the new Nano that were important to me, like crossfading (and please don't confuse this with gapless playback). Nope!!! :( It's in the new Nano, though.....

I also "assumed" that I'd get the "tactile feedback typing response" on the keyboard that the iphone users get. Nope. I guess they figure that feature is only important to the iphone users and not touch users who also email :confused:

We don't even get the shake to shuffle feature Apple is promoting for the new Nano,,,yet it was the gyro feature which makes this possible and was actually started in the iphone and touch. :confused: :mad:

What is the deal with this? It's a friggin' software line code, isn't it (at least the cross fade feature).

Quite Crying like a baby, the touch is as good as it can get, and the touch keyboard is awsome, I dont have to slow down to make sure its correct, It always comes up to the word I want.

[kornchild2002]

Not to be picky but the iPod touch is not as good as it can get. Additionally, the iPod touch's keyboard is always misinterpreting the letter that I am typing in unless I type in one letter per 0.5 seconds (that is slow, I can type in a whole large word in about 1 second on my Windows powered Pocket PC). Apple can definitely make many improvements with simple software updates. Nothing on the market is perfect though and it is all a series of compromises when purchasing an audio/video playing portable device. Someone wants feature X but the iPod touch only offers feature Y so they complain. Then other people complain about the complainers.

Not to be negative but I can spin it this way: Who is the bigger crybaby; the person crying about something or the person crying about the other person crying? Someone wants a feature for an imperfect device, sue them.

[Jimmy97]

Pardon the ignorance of this question, but what's "tactile feedback typing response" and why's it so big a deal?
The touch can definitely get better. The crossfade would have been a welcome feature on it, but it sure as hell isn't a dealbreaker for me. I can live without it. You could get copy/paste features, adobe flash player, and so much more. But for now, I'm more than satisfied with its current feature list, though the above would definitely be great additions, and they really should add them, at most by next year's releases.

[kornchild2002]

Tactile feedback means that when you push in a button, it clicks letting you know that you have pushed in the button. The button actually indents itself to make this click. This allows one to be able to feel buttons and make sure they are pushing in the correct one instead of relying on the iPhone/iPod touch to tell them which button was pushed. Think of it like a keyboard without springs, just squish buttons that click.

I really don't see how tactile feedback can ever come to the iPod touch and iPhone unless Apple were to make a dedicated space for the keyboard. This means that one could use the keyboard only in a certain orientation as the squishy, clicky buttons can never go away. I really wouldn't want to be watching a video just to have 20 some odd bubbles on the right side of the screen. I know that one company is working on a method where the device inserts air into the screen thus causing these buttons to rise but you will see outlines of the empty buttons on the screen (they look like the outlines of bubbles). Why would I pay $400 for a device just to have it look dirty all the time? I know another company is working on a screen design where the screen itself can be indented everywhere and it makes a click sound but I don't see how that can be accurate.

But that is what tactile feedback is. Many people like tactile feedback and it allows them to transition easier to the iPhone/iPod touch from their cellphone and computer keyboard. I am used to having devices that don't have tactile feedback as I have a tablet PC, many Windows powered Pocket PCs, my 1G 16GB iPod touch, and my 2G 32GB iPod touch. None of them have tactile feedback.

[kinosama]

On the iPhone, tactile feedback actually means the phone gently vibrates as you type. That's it.

Touch obviously can't do that 'cause it doesn't include rumble motors, nor does it need to.

[kornchild2002]

That's not really tactile feedback though. The technical definition fits but the practiced definition is not "vibrate when pushed." That and I haven't seen any documentation from Apple saying that the iPhone 3G has this feature (or is getting it). Apple's website doesn't even list this crappy version of "tactile" feedback as being a feature of the iPhone 3G.

[keithnyc]

Wow....interesting replies. I guess I was whining a bit, so thanks for the reality check (but I still really do want cross fade...I always liked it in iTunes and had asked Apple "way back when" to please include it in the next Nano update).
Well, I guess I got what I asked for ; )

[kornchild2002]

It is alright that you want new features but some users will see it as whining. I myself was simply trying to state that some iPod models will have exclusive features in order to sway people to buy them. The iPod classic is the only iPod available with more than 32GB of storage, the iPod nano is the only iPod with the shake to shuffle feature, the iPod shuffle is the only model with a button that will shuffle the entire music collection on the device, and the iPod touch is the only iPod with wi-fi connectivity.

Additionally, you wouldn't want tactile feedback on the iPod touch the way Apple is implementing it. That would require that the iPod touch have a vibrating motor (this is common for cellphones but not portable mp3 players). It also isn't true tactile feedback as you can't feel the buttons and physically depress them. So I don't think that anyone out there is going to look forward to this feature if it is even coming out. I looked all over Apple's website and couldn't find this as an advertised iPhone feature.

[keithnyc]

It is alright that you want new features but some users will see it as whining. I myself was simply trying to state that some iPod models will have exclusive features in order to sway people to buy them. The iPod classic is the only iPod available with more than 32GB of storage, the iPod nano is the only iPod with the shake to shuffle feature, the iPod shuffle is the only model with a button that will shuffle the entire music collection on the device, and the iPod touch is the only iPod with wi-fi connectivity.

Additionally, you wouldn't want tactile feedback on the iPod touch the way Apple is implementing it. That would require that the iPod touch have a vibrating motor (this is common for cellphones but not portable mp3 players). It also isn't true tactile feedback as you can't feel the buttons and physically depress them. So I don't think that anyone out there is going to look forward to this feature if it is even coming out. I looked all over Apple's website and couldn't find this as an advertised iPhone feature.


KC- You're absolutely right in the analysis on the typing feedback etc....and yes, as another poster mentioned, I probably should have done a bit more homework before I ran out to get the touch. It's very cool and all, but what I'm finding out is what I really enjoyed about the Nano were the things that aren't associated with the touch, e.g., the slimmer width which allowed me to carry both my Nano AND my blackberry in one pocket, that great clickwheel feature etc.. The cross fade was always something I wanted ever since I started listening to my music on the computer, so when I saw this was added to the Nano, i was ready to upgrade (assuming that would be in all the software associated with palying music).

So, I think I can get over these humps, because I really do enjoy the wifi capabilities of the touch and the screen is gorgeous, however I'm still hoping they add the crossfade to the next touch software upgrade. We'll see. Have a great weekend and thanks again.