iPod Touch firmware 1.1.5?

[tonepod]

Sorry if this is a repost, but:

http://www.ipodtouchfans.com/forums/showthread.php?t=79684

So...what gives?

[jdawson]

Really who is not going to pay $9.00 for free Google maps e-mail and all the free apps in the app store! This is NUTS! I think 1.1.5 is a total waste of time. I can't imagine anyone would install it to avoid $9.00 with all the benefits of 2.0. Is anyone really that cheep?

[emjoi]

But why CHARGE people so that they can get AppStore?
If you give'em AppStore for free, then they will spend money buying apps. Apple is cutting off a revenue stream, which is weird for them.

IMHO, give firmware 2.0 with AppStore, but without GoogleMaps etc for free.
Sell an AppPack... Map, Mail, Stock, Weather... for 10 bucks.

But I guess Apple Marketing know what they are doing. ;)

[yensed]

Is anyone really that cheep? Its not that people are Cheap. Its the fact we get treated like 2nd class users.. If you went shopping at a grocery store and as your checking out the cashier asks you "Would you like to have the groceries put in your cart for an extra $2?" what would you think?

[kornchild2002]

yensed said it. It is not about spending the money as $10 really isn't a whole lot, it is the principle of the matter that iPod touch users get nickeled and dimmed just to keep their iPod up to date. Yes, it is optional but this is the first time ever that a new OS for an iPod was sold for a price. Apple updated the 5G iPod back in 2006 with some pretty extensive features including gapless audio playback, the ability to playback high bitrate/high resolution mpeg-4 AVC videos, compatibility with the iTunes Store movie service (something of which Apple would probably charge for today), and a couple of other things.

Anyway, firmware 1.1.5 is supposed to provide some bug fixes here and there for people who don't want to pay the $10 to get OS 2.0. It doesn't have the App Store and you still can't move around your icons. Basically, it is the free firmware update for people who use their iPod touch strictly as an iPod and don't want to spend extra money on stuff that they don't need/want.

[paranoidxe]

But why CHARGE people so that they can get AppStore?
If you give'em AppStore for free, then they will spend money buying apps. Apple is cutting off a revenue stream, which is weird for them.

IMHO, give firmware 2.0 with AppStore, but without GoogleMaps etc for free.
Sell an AppPack... Map, Mail, Stock, Weather... for 10 bucks.

But I guess Apple Marketing know what they are doing. ;)

It might come as a shock to you but some of us still use an iPod primarily for...*GASP* music.

The iPod Touch sits on the shelf the most here and if I pull it out its for video, which the lousy 16GB [14.8 really] is a poor capacity. I didn't get the 32GB because it wasn't out at the time and I'm not paying $500 unless battery time improves.

I can't imagine using the iPod Touch for Music and Video..it just lacks capacity..let alone throw in applications, which most are useless unless you are at a Wifi hotspot. Until better applications come out, battery performance improves, and capacity increases [32GB is enough but the battery isn't there yet nor is the price]...forget apps.

As far as I'm concerned 1.x wasn't even completed yet, even at 1.1.4 I still couldn't go through a 8 hour shift without it crashing at some point and returning to the home screen.

Another problem with 2.0 is its buggy, yes I'm well aware its a base/starting point for the "new" operating system [more like added code to the 1.x base] but its preformance sucks. There is a extra delay in doing EVERYTHING, plus it puts more taxing on the battery.

[kugirl]

Nobody has mentioned the fact that touch users were charged $20 in january for mail, stocks, notes, etc. and had we waited we could have had all those + 2.0 for only $10. so basically I spent $30 because I didn't know they would be releasing the app store in July. I can't wait to see what else I have to pay for. i wish i didn't feel the need to update this thing and just use it for music.

[sgb1975]

Nobody has mentioned the fact that touch users were charged $20 in january for mail, stocks, notes, etc. and had we waited we could have had all those + 2.0 for only $10. so basically I spent $30 because I didn't know they would be releasing the app store in July. I can't wait to see what else I have to pay for. i wish i didn't feel the need to update this thing and just use it for music.
It's been mentioned many, many times, and the answer is always the same: stop whining. If you haven't seen the threads and posts, then you're not paying much attention. Did you get good use out of the January update? If so, then you spent your $20 wisely. If not, then why did you even get the update to begin with? Sorry if I'm being blunt, but this issue has been discussed ad nauseum and people need to move on.

[paranoidxe]

It's been mentioned many, many times, and the answer is always the same: stop whining. If you haven't seen the threads and posts, then you're not paying much attention. Did you get good use out of the January update? If so, then you spent your $20 wisely. If not, then why did you even get the update to begin with? Sorry if I'm being blunt, but this issue has been discussed ad nauseum and people need to move on.

I think what he is pointing out is how much of a rip off it is to buy updates from apple if they are just going to release a new upgrade in 5 months that was better than the last for half price. On top of that the update has been completely removed [jan update] from iTunes.

That being said I got the iPod 2.0 update through iTunes for free and I bought the january update..I don't know if its associated or not.

[Shrimpy]

I used to feel very strongly against Apple charging touch users exclusively for updates, but now i can see why they do it.

First off, Apple needs to spend time and MONEY developing the app store, making the dev kit, etc.

Second, Apple gets a share of the iPhone contract payment, on top of the price of the phone.
Touch users are not paying monthly to Apple, hence the fee.

[paranoidxe]

I used to feel very strongly against Apple charging touch users exclusively for updates, but now i can see why they do it.

First off, Apple needs to spend time and MONEY developing the app store, making the dev kit, etc.

Second, Apple gets a share of the iPhone contract payment, on top of the price of the phone.
Touch users are not paying monthly to Apple, hence the fee.

My question to you is..would you buy windows then pay a upgrade fee to run programs in windows? I didn't think so. Same concept here, I think apple is foolish to charge for 2.0 because they'd make a killing off of the app store as is. Course Apple likes to milk the cow and continue its downward spiral on quality control.

[Shrimpy]

My question to you is..would you buy windows then pay a upgrade fee to run programs in windows? I didn't think so. Same concept here, I think apple is foolish to charge for 2.0 because they'd make a killing off of the app store as is. Course Apple likes to milk the cow and continue its downward spiral on quality control.

Sorry, but I don't think that's comparable.

The point is, iPhone users are already in essence paying Apple monthly, because Apple takes a share out of their contract payments.

An iPod touch user buys the product once, and does not continue to pay Apple in anyway (Disregarding iTunes purchases)

The person with the iPhone is getting the update for free because they have already been paying money towards Apple every month, via the contract. That is the reason why the touch user gets the upfront fee, because they are not paying Apple monthly.

[kornchild2002]

Sorry, but I don't think that's comparable.

The point is, iPhone users are already in essence paying Apple monthly, because Apple takes a share out of their contract payments.


Why not? Apple is basically charging people to install the app store just so we can buy even more apps. That would be exactly as if Microsoft released Windows Vista and then charged people to install apps whether they were free or not. That would also be like Apple charging for an iPod firmware update that they did back in 2006 for the 5G iPod which allowed it to work with iTunes Store movie purchases. Apple didn't charge for that back then but they should have. They should have charged for that update just so we could go online and pay for movies.

I wonder how everyone knows that the reason why iPhone users get updates for free is because they pay a monthly bill. Apple has not come outright and stated: the reason iPod touch users must pay for major updates is because they pay is one payment in the beginning while we get more money from iPhone users. Nothing has been confirmed by Apple and probably never will be.

It is true that Apple gets more money over the long run from iPhone users but so what? They can use that money to develop for the iPhone and then just port things over to the iPod touch as they are doing now. How much work does it take to port something over from an iPhone to an iPod touch given the simplicity and extreme similarities of each architecture? Not much work at all. In fact, that amount of work is slim to none.

Anyway, this is off-topic as the OP simply wanted to know what was up with firmware 1.1.5, they didn't want to start another discussion about Apple charging for updates.

[Shrimpy]

Why not? Apple is basically charging people to install the app store just so we can buy even more apps. That would be exactly as if Microsoft released Windows Vista and then charged people to install apps whether they were free or not. That would also be like Apple charging for an iPod firmware update that they did back in 2006 for the 5G iPod which allowed it to work with iTunes Store movie purchases. Apple didn't charge for that back then but they should have. They should have charged for that update just so we could go online and pay for movies.

I wonder how everyone knows that the reason why iPhone users get updates for free is because they pay a monthly bill. Apple has not come outright and stated: the reason iPod touch users must pay for major updates is because they pay is one payment in the beginning while we get more money from iPhone users. Nothing has been confirmed by Apple and probably never will be.

It is true that Apple gets more money over the long run from iPhone users but so what? They can use that money to develop for the iPhone and then just port things over to the iPod touch as they are doing now. How much work does it take to port something over from an iPhone to an iPod touch given the simplicity and extreme similarities of each architecture? Not much work at all. In fact, that amount of work is slim to none.

Anyway, this is off-topic as the OP simply wanted to know what was up with firmware 1.1.5, they didn't want to start another discussion about Apple charging for updates.

Yes they are basically charging people to install the App Store, and the reason for that is the R&D that needed to be put into not just the App Store, but firmware 2.0 that supports it. Both of those things cost money to develop, therefore they charge for it. I'll use the Windows argument, and yes I would pay for a program that added functionality to my computer. The program needed time and money to be developed before getting to me, so I would gladly pay for it. After all, the App Store/2.0 both add an ENORMOUS amount of functionality to the iPhone/iPod touch, and for the price I find it agreeable.

[paranoidxe]

Well apparently firmware 1.1.5 is much faster than both 1.1.4 and 2.0..I guess I'll have to find out.

[y2kgtp]

I just updated my Touch last night to 2.0 as I really wanted Pandora and the itunes remote. I was jailbroken, and the only app I would want that costs $$$ now is sketches, as my little one likes to draw on it


Unless someone jailbreaks 2.0 soon.....

[Wilder_K_Wight]

Really. This "Wahh I don't wanna pay for it" topic is getting old, and causing flame wars. I'd suggest the management lock any threads that act as trollbait for the 2.0 pay-to-update complaints.

We get it. Some of you are indignant and wanna stick it to the man for trying to make a profit or pay the salaries of those who developed a major OS upgrade. You feel like whining about it because you're on some "free bytes of data" crusade. Good for you.

However, there is no debate. Apple's not changing the price. Those of us who paid aren't getting our money back, and don't regret paying. You're shouting at clouds. You're kicking a dead horse. You're rehashing an old debate that is over, done, and finished.

Can we please declare a moratorium on people complaining about Apple asking for payment for 2.0 now? It's old news.

[yensed]

Really. This "Wahh I don't wanna pay for it" topic is getting old, and causing flame wars. I'd suggest the management lock any threads that act as trollbait for the 2.0 pay-to-update complaints.

We get it. Some of you are indignant and wanna stick it to the man for trying to make a profit or pay the salaries of those who developed a major OS upgrade. You feel like whining about it because you're on some "free bytes of data" crusade. Good for you.

However, there is no debate. Apple's not changing the price. Those of us who paid aren't getting our money back, and don't regret paying. You're shouting at clouds. You're kicking a dead horse. You're rehashing an old debate that is over, done, and finished.

Can we please declare a moratorium on people complaining about Apple asking for payment for 2.0 now? It's old news.
Nice job bumping the topic to the top of the forum.

[kornchild2002]

Really. This "Wahh I don't wanna pay for it" topic is getting old, and causing flame wars. I'd suggest the management lock any threads that act as trollbait for the 2.0 pay-to-update complaints.

Maybe you should have thought about that before bumping a 3 day old (2 day old when you did it) thread. Also, the whole "waahh people should stop waahhing about having to pay for the update" is getting a little out of hand. It is fine if people don't agree with paying for the $10 update and their opinions should not be silenced. If their opinions are silenced then anyone agreeing with Apple charging for the update should also be shut down. I agree that threads that act as troll bait should be closed but I have yet to see any threads that are actually troll bait. Now, I have seen some "Apple is God, Steve is my new daddy, and everyone should shut up" trolls posting around here lately but I haven't seen anyone posting "teh update is teh crapper ands shoulds be teh frees!" troll bait posts.