Jailbreak & iPhone Apps

[Neeko]

So, why is it illegal to post about the 20 dollar Touch apps, but meanwhile the forum is full of how to add them through jailbreaking.

As posted by jhollington (who I believe is an admin here) which states "they are copyrighted software owned by Apple".

So yeah, what's the difference?

[DerekVOF]

Ignore the troll...

[Neeko]

How about answer the question?

Sounds pretty hypocritical to me. Both ways are illegal, so why is one deemed "OK" here?

[Bob]

Jailbreaking to add apps which are not 'owned' by Apple (such as Maps, Notes, Weather) is acceptable - these apps have been developed by third parties.
Adding them to a touch is done at the risk of the owner due to the possibility that doing so may invalidate your Apple warranty.

[Neeko]

They're not owned by apple? They're the exact same apps as are found on the iPhone.

They've been stripped from that iPhone the same way that they've been stripped from the Touch.

[Bob]

I am referring to all the other applications which jailbreaking gives 'access' to such as various games, utilities (Flashlight) and other apps.
If you have jail broken your touch then you will realise that there is more to the topic than just adding the five apps from Apple.

The apps which you pay the $20 for are:-
Google Maps
Stocks
Notes
Weather
Mail

Asking for someone to hook you up with these apps for nothing, breaches our policy on copyrighted software.

[Neeko]

I understand that, but your forum provides users with information about how they can add the Apple apps (Google Maps, Stocks, Notes, Weather and Mail) to their jailbroken Touch.

That's what confuses me. Shouldn't that info be deem inappropriate as it's regarding copyrighted software owned by Apple?

[Touchmyipod]

Ugh, you're still here....still? Did you have off from school today??? Somebody needs some sun....go outside and play, or have mommy make you dinner!

[Neeko]

Thanks for being an idiot.

[Neeko]

Oh, and I'm still waiting for my answer. I don't really expect one as the people who run this place seem to be hypocrites.

Apparently sharing info on how to get the apps is OK if jailbreak your Touch. Makes lots of sense.

[daihard]

In the end it is the forum owners and admins who create and enforce rules. You as a user may not get all your questions answered. It is just a fact of life. You will learn to live with it.

[Neeko]

Maybe Apple Legal needs to be made aware of the info being shared here.

Yeah, I know... it's ironic. I'll point that out before some fanboy wets his pants for the chance to say it.

[Prozak]

Jailbreaking is also illegal, but obviously they allow that on the forum. All major software companies prevent their software from being reverse engineered through the EULA. Game roms is another one of these issues that fall under copyright laws but forums including this one, are very quick to delete these posts.

I just ordered my third ipod, and I've known about these forums since I got my first generation ipod, although I only recently started reading more as I became interested in the touch. From my experience, the people on this forum are good helpful people.

I don't think what they do has much to do with hyprocrisy as much as it has to do with the law. I bet if Apple contacted ilounge and asked them to remove all links to hacking etc., they would in a heart beat. I believe Apple has not tried to squash "jailbreaking" because they want people to be interested in developing apps for its platforms, which will lead to higher ipod touch sales and also an incoming cash flow from software once its released.

Once the SDK is released, I wouldn't be surprised if hacking the OS becomes a bigger issue for Apple as hacking it will probably be mostly for finding a way to not pay for apps.

[Neeko]

*Claps.

Thank you for that reply Prozak. The first useful one, it only took 12 to get there.

[Touchmyipod]

Maybe Apple Legal needs to be made aware of the info being shared here.

Yeah, I know... it's ironic. I'll point that out before some fanboy wets his pants for the chance to say it.

Ugh...still here? If I pay you to go away would you?

[DerekVOF]

See, this is what IGNORE lists are for...

[Neeko]

Ugh...still here? If I pay you to go away would you?

At least use some originality if you're trying to bait me. Touchmyself posted the same reply about 5 posts before you.

A little more effort next time please.

[Neeko]

See, this is what IGNORE lists are for...

*Golf clap.

[DerekVOF]

What was that? Oh, yeah -- I don't know since you're on my ignore list.

Kthxbye

[Prozak]

People would help you a lot more if you didn't have such a bad attitude neeko. Remember, no one on these boards owes you anything, you're a complete stranger. So when you come here with an attitude thinking people owe you something for no reason, they are going to ignore you, wouldn't you?

[Neeko]

What was that? Oh, yeah -- I don't know since you're on my ignore list.

Kthxbye

Right, and that's why you're replying to my posts.

You may want to familiarize yourself a bit more with that ignore feature.

[jhollington]

EULA's and other issues aside, jailbreaking an iPhone or iPod touch is a much greyer area. One could make the same argument for modifying the earlier iPod models with tools like iPodWizard, or even opening them up to upgrade the hard drive. These all technically risk violation of end-user license agreements. However, these are also subject to interpretation, and are merely a question of license agreements, not actual laws.

Distribution of copyrighted material is NOT a grey area. Posting links to places where copyrighted applications may be obtained without the authorization of the copyright holder is definitely illegal. It does not matter whether these are iPhone applications or Playstation games -- commercial copyrighted software is what it is.

Discussions on jailbreaking the iPhone refer to simply hacking into it and opening it up to any third-party application. Adding the "copyrighted" applications would be done in the same way as any other application, and it's hard to rule out discussions about the methods for adding applications.

What we will not permit is the posting of actual links or sources where these applications may be obtained, any more than we would allow the posting of any other warez site or illegal MP3 download site. Copyrighted material is copyrighted material, and it is our policy to respect the legal rights of copyright holders.

This thread has been closed. Please refrain from posting any further requests for this information on our forums. There are many other places out on the Internet with less ethical policies than ours where you would most certainly be able to obtain this information.

[Neeko]

10-4, loud and clear.