View Full Version : What's on the 1.1.4?
Chaski
02-26-2008, 02:18 PM
So I'm on iTunes, and checked to see if there was an update for my iPod Touch. There is; 1.1.4. In the disclaimer, it says the update is only for bug fixes, but is it possible that they've included more into this update than they're telling us, to prepare for the SDK? Or will the SDK be released on 1.1.5 in a few weeks?
EDIT: The 1.1.4 download is 165MB. Is that big for a firmware update purely for "bug fixes"? I didn't look at the size of the previous 1.1.3
Touchmyipod
02-26-2008, 02:27 PM
Funny, I plugged my iPod in today, and I didn't see an update. That's a big file though....hmmmmmmm....update just plugged it in, and the pop up appeared....interesting. I like 1.1.3 just fine, wait until I see those who test the waters and what they say!
Sul05
02-26-2008, 02:43 PM
Updating as we speak. Will report as soon as it's done
Chaski
02-26-2008, 02:44 PM
First looks there's nothing that stands out as different. Nothing as big as the 1.1.3 update that I can see...
BlackWolf
02-26-2008, 02:47 PM
since I can't update my iphone (and probably it'll be like that for some time):
can anybody tell me if the ipod finally recognizes if you set a equalizer (one of the presets) for a song in itunes and uses that EQ? if so that would be so sweet.
go, hackers, go!
rockmyplimsoul
02-26-2008, 03:15 PM
can anybody tell me if the ipod finally recognizes if you set a equalizer (one of the presets) for a song in itunes and uses that EQ? if so that would be so sweet.If you're doing it right, the Touch does use pre-set EQs for songs which you've updated in iTunes (mine does). Are you sure you were doing it correctly? See the article here:
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=61567
BlackWolf
02-26-2008, 03:25 PM
If you're doing it right, the Touch does use pre-set EQs for songs which you've updated in iTunes (mine does). Are you sure you were doing it correctly? See the article here:
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=61567
yeah I'm pretty sure since they worked on my ipod classic, didn't work on my touch and now don't work on my iphone. it just ignores those settings. Since this is an important feature for me I intensly tested this and I would have to be really really dumb if I were mistaken about this.
just try it yourself: set your ipods EQ to flat and set the EQ "speech" for a song (just because you can hear speech really good). transfer it and play it. now go to the EQ settings on your ipod and switch from flat to speech. it should sound the same, but it will not!
PS: I'm not sure if I ever tried it with "flat" switch on from the beginning. on my classic it was enough if I switched to flat while I played that song. I will test that ... wait a sec ...
edit2: nope, EQ setting is ignored by my iphone. try it yourself. but since my ipod touch ignored them as well I think it's just a firmware bug.
edit3: lol now I forgot to post what I wanted to post in the first place:
http://www.tuaw.com/2008/02/26/ipod-iphone-firmware-update-1-1-4-released/4#comments
iphone 1.1.4 update blogged live. seems that ziphone works to JAILBREAK 1.1.4 (for all you touch users) but it does NOT work to activate (for all iphone users)
DerekVOF
02-26-2008, 04:04 PM
FYI - regarding the large size. Rather than patches, Apple just replaces the entire firmware file - that's been their policy for each of the updates thus far...
BlackWolf
02-26-2008, 04:09 PM
FYI - regarding the large size. Rather than patches, Apple just replaces the entire firmware file - that's been their policy for each of the updates thus far...
yep, think it's not even possible another way. imagine downloading 1.1.4 but you deleted 1.1.3 in the meantime ... since I recall the old firmware having something like 160MB there are almost no changes at all.
DerekVOF
02-26-2008, 04:25 PM
Yup - I just wish they'd do a difference installer so we could save the bandwidth/time for upgrades...
well if its just bug fixes, is the safari more stable now? especially when playin music at the same time? does it crash less now?
dlev11
02-26-2008, 04:59 PM
I think I've noticed something new with the 1.1.4 update. I'm seeing a little black "plug" icon inside the battery charge icon at the upper right corner when the battery is fully charged. Never noticed that before.
Touchmyipod
02-26-2008, 05:08 PM
I think I've noticed something new with the 1.1.4 update. I'm seeing a little black "plug" icon inside the battery charge icon at the upper right corner when the battery is fully charged. Never noticed that before.
It's been there, for a long time :) Pay more attention...kidding :)
dlev11
02-26-2008, 05:26 PM
Yeah, you're right. As soon as i took it off the dock the "plug" went bye, bye.
haha you were close to findin something new lol now can some1 answer my question.... hehe :p
Touchmyipod
02-26-2008, 05:48 PM
haha you were close to findin something new lol now can some1 answer my question.... hehe :p
Answer...considering it's only been out for an hour or so, I am sure people will say safari no longer crashed, but thats after about only a few sceconds of messing with it...give it time....and if you dont want crashes, try turn the ipod off every now and then. Mine crashed once in 5 months.....
JisforJeff93
02-26-2008, 06:50 PM
whats on the 1.1.4 update??? im doownloading it right now, have about 8 more minutes to go...
Parrappa
02-26-2008, 06:50 PM
whats on the 1.1.4 update??? im doownloading it right now, have about 8 more minutes to go...
No one really knows. We probably have to wait a few more days until more is revealed.
Stay Alive 305
02-26-2008, 07:05 PM
I have a really good feeling about this update. ;)
Why 8-9 minutes to download? It took me 3 minutes after the restore.
Dunkin
02-26-2008, 08:22 PM
My touch just crashed while I was watching the NBC nightly news podcast. The screen went black and the Apple logo appeared. Then 3-4 seconds later I was at the home page. (I never seen it reset so fast after a crash) When I connected it to the computer iTunes asked if I wanted to upload diagnostic information. This gives me some hope that Apple's actually working on fixing the crash problems.
Also I think cold boot time has decreased by about 5 seconds.
WRC Slippy
02-26-2008, 08:39 PM
Safari seems to hang on sites that it never did before. Gives me the "cannot connect to server error" which then disappears and the site comes up. I did a restore and upgrade to 1.1.4 on my touch which was jailbroken before.
DerekVOF
02-26-2008, 09:09 PM
Sounds like fun... Think I'll wait for 1.2 or whatever version is ultimately required for the SDK... :D
gotmusic?
02-26-2008, 09:42 PM
Oh what the hell...I going to download it! Read this far and going in.
WRC Slippy
02-26-2008, 10:11 PM
Safari seems to hang on sites that it never did before. Gives me the "cannot connect to server error" which then disappears and the site comes up. I did a restore and upgrade to 1.1.4 on my touch which was jailbroken before.
*edit*
First crash of safari and it keeps loosing its wifi connection. Going to try and restore it....again.
bobbit
02-26-2008, 10:12 PM
This gives me some hope that Apple's actually working on fixing the crash problems.
These have been around from day one - I wouldn't get your hopes up.
Tried ZiPhone - Completely failed. Just got caught in an endless commandline loop. Will wait for an official release of it... In the meantime I'll enjoy the ugly gaps left by the update removing my apps. :)
Stay Alive 305
02-26-2008, 10:15 PM
Maybe with this update we won't have to upgrade when SDK comes in 1-3 weeks.
rcepek
02-26-2008, 10:28 PM
Okay not sure on this one I just bought a 32GB touch last night so It is new, But I was out shoveling the driveway (Cleveland, Ohio - Yeah) and I was listening to some tunes and it kept skipping??? Sounds weird I know, and after a while it would actually reboot. So I'm not sure if it was the cold, (Can't see that though since the touch has no moving parts, or if its the 1.1.4 update or if its a defective new iPod). I'm hoping that there is some bug in the 1.1.4 update but I'll wait and see what others say.
Rob
gotmusic?
02-26-2008, 11:06 PM
So far pages seem to load quicker. No crashes but never really experienced that problem before. FYI, I am not jailbroken. Fine so far.
archurban
02-26-2008, 11:24 PM
it looks like making safari crash like 1.1.3. it didn't fix that problem. I don't really know what's been improved. even though it says 'bug fixes', it didn't prove so much about it. I guess that it is maybe sort of preparation before getting SDK.
Theres a "Rumor" floating around that once 1.1.4 is out everyone that downloads it and has jailbreak. There ipod touch will break and cant be restored/forced restored and has to be taken to apple to get repaired... They prob won't repair either they probely will say a huge fee or take your ipod touch away...
paranoidxe
02-27-2008, 12:37 AM
I'm almost certain this update has something to do with the SDK..since its the end of feb. Oh well sticking to 1.1.2 because it looks better...rather not have a iPhone duplicate.
daihard
02-27-2008, 12:47 AM
Just tried Mail, Safari and most other apps on 1.1.4. They all look and work the same to me (as with 1.1.3). The only thing I've noticed is that they *tried* to fix the problem of automatically inserting line breaks before the full stop character on the Japanese keyboard. Too bad they haven't fully fixed it!
No sound skipping, no WiFi dropping, no Safari crashing for me... so far.
krusej23
02-27-2008, 12:54 AM
did it fix the TKIP secured connection problem so that I can get connected to the Internet on my college campus?
daihard
02-27-2008, 12:57 AM
did it fix the TKIP secured connection problem so that I can get connected to the Internet on my college campus?
The quickest way to figure it out is try it yourself. :)
DerekVOF
02-27-2008, 09:20 AM
Theres a "Rumor" floating around that once 1.1.4 is out everyone that downloads it and has jailbreak. There ipod touch will break and cant be restored/forced restored and has to be taken to apple to get repaired... They prob won't repair either they probely will say a huge fee or take your ipod touch away...
Take your iPod Touch away? Huge fee? Oh come on - let's be real here. If Apple added a tool to detect jailbreaks and lock down those iPods, they run the risk of bricking iPod Touches for valid users (just like Microsoft always messes up with their Windows Genuine Advantage garbage). How incensed do you think users would be to have Apple brick their products, even if they did jailbreak? They'd have a frickin' riot on their hands.
And for reference, this is the first and only "rumor" of this that I've heard... :shake:
Zimmy
02-27-2008, 10:42 AM
Has Coverflow been fixed yet?
Meaning, when you have the device in landscape mode and the song changes, the album artwork actually changes with it?
Has Coverflow been fixed yet?
Meaning, when you have the device in landscape mode and the song changes, the album artwork actually changes with it?Intended behavior doesn't require a fix, but an enhancement perhaps allowing a setting to select that behavior would be nice.
glyoung99
02-27-2008, 01:56 PM
I've noticed one difference. Before the update, the fast foward , rewind and scrub bar used to disappear after a couple of seconds when watching video. Now it stays there until you tap the screen again. Didnt realize that was a bug.
Zimmy
02-27-2008, 02:01 PM
Intended behavior doesn't require a fix, but an enhancement perhaps allowing a setting to select that behavior would be nice.
So, a picture of the Rolling Stones' Sticky Fingers should be showing on the screen when ABBA's Dancing Queen is playing?
How much did the developer get paid for that intended UI brilliance?
Do you think it actually switched to the song playing and Steve Jobs ran down to the developers, "Are you crazy!?!, are you trying to ruin me!?!?, get back to work and make sure the display just sits there and do nothing!"
;)
Hopefully they will decided on another "intended behavior" that is more logical. In other words, call it whatever you want, just fix it.
daihard
02-27-2008, 02:57 PM
I've noticed one difference. Before the update, the fast foward , rewind and scrub bar used to disappear after a couple of seconds when watching video. Now it stays there until you tap the screen again. Didnt realize that was a bug.
The bar still automatically disappears in a few seconds on my 1.1.4 touch. :confused:
Hopefully they will decided on another "intended behavior" that is more logical. In other words, call it whatever you want, just fix it.Coverflow was intended as a music browser, not a now playing screen. Otherwise, there would be more controls put there to begin with.
"Fixing" this breaks something else. Think about it. I don't want to be using coverflow to browse my albums while a track's playing, then in the middle of my browsing, it flips to the next track's album art. That would be annoying. That's why I said there should be a setting to allow either behavior.
daihard
02-27-2008, 06:25 PM
Coverflow was intended as a music browser, not a now playing screen. Otherwise, there would be more controls put there to begin with.
What is a "music browser"?
In which order are the songs lined up in the Cover Flow mode, anyway? All I can tell is that the one in the centre is what's playing. The covers before and after it seem to be there at random.
[EDIT] Okay, the covers are listed in alphabetical order by the artists. It still doesn't make much sense. A music library browser is an entirely different feature than a music player. Why are those two features accessible by flipping the iPod touch one way or the other, as if they are related?
BlackWolf
02-27-2008, 06:34 PM
What is a "music browser"?
In which order are the songs lined up in the Cover Flow mode, anyway? All I can tell is that the one in the centre is what's playing. The covers before and after it seem to be there at random.
[EDIT] Okay, the covers are listed in alphabetical order by the artists. It still doesn't make much sense. A music library browser is an entirely different feature than a music player. Why are those two features accessible by flipping the iPod touch one way or the other, as if they are related?
lol what are you talking about?
without a music browser you could not even start to play songs on your music player. when you are watching anything in the music section of your ipod touch that is a music browser. if you're watching your list of artists that is browsing your music. creating, watching and using playlists? browsing music, because one way or another you have to browse your music to play it, and cover flow is just a new way to explore/browse your music. it was never intended as a now playing screen and as it was said above, that would be kind of annoying. imagine I flip through my albums and suddenly it just switches to another album art because the song changed.
I think you didn't quite get what cover flow was intended to be ;-)
daihard
02-27-2008, 07:45 PM
I think you didn't quite get what cover flow was intended to be ;-)
If they intended Cover Flow to be a simple music browser as album artwork (as described in the manual), they sure did not do a good job.
For instance, if your current song is part of an album that contains other songs, Tapping the cover art work (in Cover Flow) shows all those songs, even though they are not in the particular playlist you're playing. Then, if you happen to tap on one of those other songs, it will automatically STOP your playlist and start playing that album starting from that song. That is a bad interface. If Cover Flow is just a music browser, it should not change playback modes from playlist to album like that.
Letting Cover Flow follow the current play mode would definitely be more intuitive, more consistent and more desirable in my opinion. For instance, if you're playing a certain playlist, Cover Flow should show the album art works of those songs in the playlist, with the currently playing song in the centre.
Surf Monkey
02-27-2008, 07:51 PM
Letting Cover Flow follow the current play mode would definitely be more intuitive, more consistent and more desirable in my opinion. For instance, if you're playing a certain playlist, Cover Flow should show the album art works of those songs in the playlist, with the currently playing song in the centre.
I completely agree with that. It would be great if you could resort Cover Flow by album name, date and so forth. I'd also like to see the ability to do that with playlists. I'd like to be able to resort playlists on the iPod/iPhone rather than pre-sorting them in iTunes and then syncing.
rockmyplimsoul
02-27-2008, 08:03 PM
For instance, if your current song is part of an album that contains other songs, Tapping the cover art work (in Cover Flow) shows all those songs, even though they are not in the particular playlist you're playing. Then, if you happen to tap on one of those other songs, it will automatically STOP your playlist and start playing that album starting from that song. That is a bad interface.For you that's a bad interface -- for others this is great! For those who've been around here long enough, one of the long-standing wishlist items for iPods has been "When I'm shuflling a playlist, sometimes I hear a song that reminds me of an album I haven't heard in awhile. I wish there was a way to quickly jump out of that playlist and over to that album, or other albums by the artist that's currently playing". Coverflow solves that problem beautifully.
Exactly. Cover flow is for album browsing. That was its purpose.
daihard
02-27-2008, 09:26 PM
For you that's a bad interface -- for others this is great! For those who've been around here long enough, one of the long-standing wishlist items for iPods has been "When I'm shuflling a playlist, sometimes I hear a song that reminds me of an album I haven't heard in awhile. I wish there was a way to quickly jump out of that playlist and over to that album, or other albums by the artist that's currently playing". Coverflow solves that problem beautifully.
Let me give you some good news. What you just described above - apparently a wishlist for those whose opinions matter more than mine - is available on the main music screen. You double-tap the screen while you're playing a playlist. The album cover flips to the list of all the songs for the album. You can then tap another song to switch from the playlist mode to the album playback mode.
In fact, the main music screen works much better than Cover Flow, which does not change as the currently playing song changes. To reflect the change, you have to flip the iPod touch back and forth. How inconvenient is that?
That reinforces my stand that the Cover Flow is a bad interface. Why? Because its operations are not consistent with those of the main music screen. How would it be any different if they let Cover Flow follow the current playback mode instead of only following the album playback mode? They could ceratinly do that without losing the above new features you "long-time iPod users" so adore.
moviecouple
02-27-2008, 09:40 PM
Well, I have been messing around with 1.4 non-jailbroken for a few hours now. I can honestly say that in Safari, web pages load up quite a bit faster than 1.3.
I tested this against my wifes 1.3 and sure enough... it wasn't in my head. 1.4 makes Safari a bit faster when caching pages.
It isn't an interface for ANY playback, just a novelty way of flipping through album covers like people used to do with vinyl. Get over it. It wasn't intended for you.
rockmyplimsoul
02-27-2008, 10:40 PM
You double-tap the screen while you're playing a playlist. The album cover flips to the list of all the songs for the album. You can then tap another song to switch from the playlist mode to the album playback mode.Yes that is true, but that doesn't serve as a shortcut to all albums by the now playing artist like Coverflow does. As many playlists don't have songs from each album of an artist, switching to Coverflow allows you to access the album of the currently playing song and any other album by the artist since they're right next door.
- apparently a wishlist for those whose opinions matter more than mine -Where did I say that your opinion matters less than anyone else's? I was responding to your complaint about how selecting a song from Coverflow takes you out of the playlist. What's good for some is not necessarily good for all -- I get that.
daihard
02-27-2008, 10:53 PM
Yes that is true, but that doesn't serve as a shortcut to all albums by the now playing artist like Coverflow does. As many playlists don't have songs from each album of an artist, switching to Coverflow allows you to access the album of the currently playing song and any other album by the artist since they're right next door.
That is true. I missed out on that part of the Cover Flow feature.
Where did I say that your opinion matters less than anyone else's? I was responding to your complaint about how selecting a song from Coverflow takes you out of the playlist. What's good for some is not necessarily good for all -- I get that.
No, you did not explicitly say my opinions mattered less. It is just me who took your comment about the Cover Flow being on a wishlist of many long-time iLoungers as saying those people meant more to you than I did. I may very well have read too much into it, but that was my honest impression.
GeezerPod
02-27-2008, 11:08 PM
I find that the MAPS application finds one router's location that it's never found before to identify where I am. Maybe coincidence, maybe a bugfix.
And when I'm playing music with the Touch, in the new style cradle with remote, with the screen black and I adjust the volume with the remote it shows the battery screen and overlays a green volume display over it. I have to admit that I'm not SURE that this was in 1.1.3 and before, but I've never seen it before.
Best,
Tim
Zimmy
02-27-2008, 11:13 PM
= imagine I flip through my albums and suddenly it just switches to another album art because the song changed.
I think you didn't quite get what cover flow was intended to be ;-)
If you imagine it, it can come true!
Do me a favor, fire up iTunes, put your music library in Coverflow view, start playing your library.
Guess what happens when the next song comes up???
I'll give you 3 guesses and the first 2 don't count.
Anyway, if you buy into the whole "Apple intended it to do that", they should at least allow you turn off Coverflow or go back to single artwork view.
bissolati
02-28-2008, 12:15 AM
my covers seems to be a bit blury in coverflow after 1.1.4.... But only sometimes: they seem to sharp after a while.
Pearson
02-28-2008, 01:45 AM
Honestly, I really can't tell the difference between 1.1.3 and 1.1.4 firmware updates. However this could be due to the fact that my iPhone is rather new and it came pre-loaded with the 1.1.3 firmware. I agree with paranoidxe that 1.1.4 has something to do with the new SDK.
BlackWolf
02-28-2008, 02:53 AM
If you imagine it, it can come true!
Do me a favor, fire up iTunes, put your music library in Coverflow view, start playing your library.
Guess what happens when the next song comes up???
I'll give you 3 guesses and the first 2 don't count.
Anyway, if you buy into the whole "Apple intended it to do that", they should at least allow you turn off Coverflow or go back to single artwork view.
and now guess why I don't use coverflow in itunes? :p (no, seriously, I didn't know that because I really don't need coverflow in itunes. just typing the album name in the searchfield is way quicker)
well, to get back to the main coverflow discussion: you can't serve everyone. I personally would find it annoying to switch to coverflow and only have some albums because I'm listening to a playlist. Then again, I use coverflow rarely anyway.
How I would like the interface to be: Coverflow shows all albums and provides you a quick way of flipping through albums while double tapping the album art in not-landscape mode (so during normal playback on the while-playing-screen) shows you the current playlist rather than the other songs from that album. I found THAT to be really unintuative to be honest, since there is no way to get my currently playing playlist on the ipod touch.
but whatever, I find the interface very easy as it is even though I personally would change some things, but others may like it that way, so I don't upset myself about it ^^
steaky
02-28-2008, 09:16 PM
Ive upgraded from 1.1.2 JB'ed to 1.1.4
I did this because, Safari is crashing for me A LOT.
And it still is, when I double tap the top bar to do the quick scroll up to the top of a page.
Anyone else have this issue?
Im on a on JB'ed version now.
I just wish that Apple would change the way it treats these devices: THEY'RE COMPUTERS, NOT iPODS
They treat us like we can stay totally in the dark, but this is a new platform for Apple, and the fact is that Apple need to say "Ok, we plan for this device to become "this" in the future.
So we keep speculating over what they are going to chuck in, and the fact is that very much may stop someone buying if they know there is no commitment to new features.
Just wish Apple would stop treating us like idiots, and start treating the iPhone and Touch like they are getting OS upgrades like the ones for OS X, like they will laud for years before the release
I just wish that Apple would change the way it treats these devices: THEY'RE COMPUTERS, NOT iPODS
They treat us like we can stay totally in the dark, but this is a new platform for Apple, and the fact is that Apple need to say "Ok, we plan for this device to become "this" in the future.
So we keep speculating over what they are going to chuck in, and the fact is that very much may stop someone buying if they know there is no commitment to new features.
Just wish Apple would stop treating us like idiots, and start treating the iPhone and Touch like they are getting OS upgrades like the ones for OS X, like they will laud for years before the releaseApple will stop treating us like idiots when we stop acting like idiots. :cool:
DerekVOF
02-28-2008, 10:37 PM
Ever hear of the Osborne effect? Back in the 80s, the Osborne was an up & coming computer platform. Unfortunately, the inventor Adam Osborne pre-announced a bunch of new computers. What happened? No one bought the current generation computer, they ran out of money because everyone was waiting for the new computers, and they ended up not having any money to even develop the new computers.
Apple is just following history - everyone knows that you can upgrade computers with new operating systems, etc. But Apple has sold the iPods as replacements for many people for previous generations - e.g., as not really upgradeable. So, they need to hold off on a lot of the announcements for fear of people waiting for the next "One more thing..."
Also, don't forget that Apple may not even know what they want this device to be in the future. I mean they obviously released the iPod Touch without applications because they didn't think people would want them so much. Look what happened - people jailbroke their iPod Touches, got copies of the applications, and installed those and others. In some respects, I think Apple just didn't realize how the jailbreak community was going to take off...
I guess we'll see what they think the future of the software is at the event next week...
There is one diff between the osbourne and the touch devices. The osbourne needed a new computer for it.
Software updates don't.
People will buy an iPod touch if they know Apple is committed to building on it in they ways they want.
The Osbourne "Don't buy other stuff, wait for us to release this new computer"
I don't want to know about Touch 2nd Gen.
I want to know about touch 1st gen innovations, for which I would feel absolutely free to pay for.
DerekVOF
02-28-2008, 11:36 PM
Yeah, I know -- but what I'm saying is Apple has spent the last 5 years or so selling NEW iPods -- not upgrades -- to add new features. I think there'd be a fear that people just wouldn't understand and would be waiting for the new hardware.
How many people come here looking for disk mode for the iPod Touch? They just don't realize the underlying differences between the "classic" generation of iPods and the new generation of iPod Touch and iPhones, and it's going to take a lot more wide-spread use of these products for people to understand that. Just like most people don't buy updates to their cell phones -- they buy new cell phones.
Very much agreed Derek, and I understand your position. It's a new product culture.
You are very very intelligent by the way
Chaski
03-04-2008, 07:19 PM
So do we think the SDK will run on the 1.1.4, or will they release yet another firmware update on Thursday?
DerekVOF
03-04-2008, 08:25 PM
No idea. Considering this is just the release of (apparently) the beta of the SDK, we may not see any new applications based on it for a bit still... No idea, but I guess we'll find out soon...