I really see a 16GB nano coming..

[paranoidxe]

Anyone find it odd that there is a SILVER 4GB, and multiple colors of the 8GB? The 8GB being "top of the line"..to me it seems weird.

Considering the previous generation was
2GB - Silver, 4GB - Blue, Red, Green and Pink, 8GB - Red or Black

Seems like there is a capacity missing. Maybe I'm just dreaming.

[Code Monkey]

You're not missing anything. Creative and Sansa have had 16 GB nano type players out for a while now. Apple simply wants to make sure they keep a supply of nanos and touches in the chain through the holiday season. Then in late winter or early spring they'll roll out the higher capacity nano and maybe even a touch when demand will be lower.

It's what I'm waiting on at any rate.

[AmazingDM]

I'd rather spend less now, sell it next year and buy a 32GB version for the same price :P

[SactoGuy001]

I don't think we'll see a 16 GB nano until at least late winter 2008. The reason is simple: nobody makes 16 GB of flash memory small enough to fit in the current case design of the 3G nano just yet and/or make it at a reasonable price.

[kylo4]

I'm really hoping for a 16GB Shuffle, probably due out in 2020. I'm going to wait for it until then. j/k

You're right though paranoid, I can see a 16GB nano coming out shortly. The reason I believe they're not doing so is because it would cost cheaper than the 16GB touch to buy, hence making it less likely for people to buy that product.

[paranoidxe]

I think its unusual we had the $150, $200, $250 pricing on the previous generation now we have a $150 (4GB), $200 (8GB)..perhaps $250 is going to the next capacity update? I'm hoping apple is waiting for the price to drop on 16GB or something..I really wanted a 16GB nano the most.

[Code Monkey]

I think its unusual we had the $150, $200, $250 pricing on the previous generation now we have a $150 (4GB), $200 (8GB)..perhaps $250 is going to the next capacity update? I'm hoping apple is waiting for the price to drop on 16GB or something..I really wanted a 16GB nano the most.It's also going to take a 16GB nano to get me to open the wallet, but I am cautiously hopeful that we'll see the spring/summer refresh which will see the 4GB eliminated entirely (it is just in Silver) with the 8GB available for $150 and 16GB for the $200. My logic goes something like this:

First, you can get 16GB nano competing players *today* from Creative for $250 and from Sansa for $200. Further, Creative's 8GB player is already priced at $150 and Sansa's at $125. Apple's new nano, unlike past examples, is overpriced out of the gate and it would make no sense to stick with that trend since Apple has been aggressive in this market in the recent past. For the holiday season, they can afford to be less competitive, they're going to sell every darn iPod they can get into the retail channel from now until Dec 24 regardless of whether they're as great as they could have been or if their value is competitive. Come spring, though, they're going to need to start winning the sales of the hold outs.

Second, with the touch available for only $50 more than a hypothetical $250 nano they would most likley wind up cannibalising sales of the high end nano as the touch has every advantage of the nano but size. I don't think there's that great of a target niche of joggers who want to be able to watch video on their morning trek. $100 makes you weigh things a lot more than $50.

[UNIQUE-916]

Have waited for a nano that offers the 16gb or do u really think it's a long way coming?

[Code Monkey]

Have waited for a nano that offers the 16gb or do u really think it's a long way coming?This is one of those depends matters.

It is inevitable that we'll see a 16GB 3G nano, the competition had their versions out long before Apple unveiled the 3G nanos, and Apple's not about to let their best selling segment of players lag forever. However, it's not happening before January or February of 2008 *, and if it doesn't happen then, Apple could actually be cocky enough to let it slide until late next summer as there have been very few iPod refreshes for iPods outside of either late winter or late summer. Further, recently, they've just been doing everything in early fall - but I'm thinking with there being no iPhone on the horizon like this year, that they'll return to the twice a year iPod freshening they used to have.

So, the question is: which do you want more, an additional 8GB of storage, possibly for no extra charge, or the new functionality and interface? If it's the latter, you may as well buy now as it's probably going to be at least 6 months before you'll get your 16GB version.

* If Apple were going to release a 16GB earlier than Jan/Feb, they would have already done so. That would be a nano that would generate heavy sales from existing owners, unlike the current capacities. My take is that this current line up is much more about generating new sales for the holidays than convincing people with only one or two year old iPods to upgrade. I know that 2 weeks ago my 8GB 2G nano met all my needs and was the best iPod I'd ever used, and while I like the shiny of the new interface, if that's the ONLY thing I'd be getting for my money, I can wait. Video is so uncompelling to me that I downgraded from a 5G to a 2G nano, so it's not like adding it to the nano is something I call much of a feature, particularly not at those capacities.

[tonyclifton]

exactly, there will be no 16gb nano until there is a 30gb touch.

I'm really hoping for a 16GB Shuffle, probably due out in 2020. I'm going to wait for it until then. j/k

You're right though paranoid, I can see a 16GB nano coming out shortly. The reason I believe they're not doing so is because it would cost cheaper than the 16GB touch to buy, hence making it less likely for people to buy that product.

[pilkey01]

Anyone find it odd that there is a SILVER 4GB, and multiple colours of the 8GB? The 8GB being "top of the line"..to me it seems weird.

Considering the previous generation was
2GB - Silver, 4GB - Blue, Red, Green and Pink, 8GB - Red or Black

Seems like there is a capacity missing. Maybe I'm just dreaming.

The 8GB comes in multiple colours to make people spend more money. Simple as that.

Apple learnt that it is not wise to limit the most expensive model to only black (and red). Many people wanted 8GB but also wanted blue, pink green or silver, so they spent less than they were willing to pay. Bad business.

[prometheusdc]

My opinion: we will see a 16gb Nano before the Xmas season. The 4gb Nano will disappear and the 8gb will become the "entry level" Nano. I also think we'll see a 16gb iPhone very soon.

[sjino]

If that happens (and if history is any indicator,) the 8GB version will be available in silver only, and the 16GB will be in colors, maybe new ones.

[sUPERdUCKY]

Seems like there is a capacity missing. Maybe I'm just dreaming.

No I think your right about the 16GB...

I think the next upgrade of the nano we will see a 16GB model...

incidentally is it an actual 16GB chip in the Ipod Touch ? as if it is 2 8GBs that would add bulk to the nano

...If not then its probably price

I would guess that around the time of the nano going up a step i thik the iPOd touch wil also go up a step in memory...

Here's hoping !!

[ben7337]

64 GB Solid State Drives which are 1.8" if I recall just came out in 64 GB capacities for like $1100, do you honestly think something small enough to fit in the touch that is 32 GB would cost any less than $300-$400 alone, not including the other stuff. A 32 GB touch would cost like $700-$800 at this point. Then again 16 GB is only $200 in the sandisk sansa that comes out in a few months so who knows.

[bertman]

I'm definitely sticking with the 2g Red 8GB model I have. The new ones are cool, but the colors, shape and who cares about video aspects of it are keeping me from getting a new one. Plus, why spend the money on something new that doesn't really have that much more to it for the sames size capacity?

16GB nano would make me reconsider this. I would have been perfectly happy with a 2g model in this size. Until new cases come out, I'm not a big fan of that sharper 3g edges and uber scratch prone back.

[paranoidxe]

I'm definitely sticking with the 2g Red 8GB model I have. The new ones are cool, but the colors, shape and who cares about video aspects of it are keeping me from getting a new one. Plus, why spend the money on something new that doesn't really have that much more to it for the sames size capacity?

16GB nano would make me reconsider this. I would have been perfectly happy with a 2g model in this size. Until new cases come out, I'm not a big fan of that sharper 3g edges and uber scratch prone back.

There is nothing this 3G really offers me. I have a 5.5G for video/games I don't need this feature in my nano.

As for the new looks I don't really dig them but I'd take it for a capacity update.

[Wilder_K_Wight]

Sure the other guys have 16GB flash players, but there are all sorts of reasons why I wouldn't get one:

1. Not compatible with iTunes, where I have all my media.
2. Not compatible with Mac.
3. Poor interface.
4. VERY poor customer service and tech support (from Creative, anyway.)
5. AWFUL resale value.
6. Less than wonderful support for accessories.
7. Won't play AAC, Apple Lossless, iTunes store-purchased songs and videos.

...For starters.

I've gone through two iPod touches, a classic, and I'm on my second nano 3G. I had some bad ones, some changes of mind, and finally just went back to the 3G nano as my player of choice. Would I prefer the higher capacity? Hell yes!

But you know what? When they get around to putting out a 16GB nano, I'll be able to sell my 8GB nano for pretty close to what I paid for it, and upgrade when the time comes. Until then, I've got music, video, and other things in a package smaller than my credit card holder.

I'm happy. This will do for now... Until Apple gives us some more options.

[roxics]

I don't think you'll see a 16gig nano until next September.
I got the impression the 8gig 2G nano didn't sell very well becasue it was the same price as the 30gig video.

If you look at the line-up right now it's perfectly setup with the 80gig classic at $250. I don't know anyone who would pass up a classic for a 16 gig nano at the same price.

That said look at the iPod touch, the difference in price between the 8gig and 16gig is $100. I don't know how much of that is inflated, but chances are you'd be looking at a $300 price tag for the 16gig nano, not $250.

I think Apple knows exactly what they are doing based on sales of previous nano generations. Those of you willing to pay $250 or more for the 16gig nano are a rare type, most would be happy jumping to the classic.

[Code Monkey]

I don't think you'll see a 16gig nano until next September.
I got the impression the 8gig 2G nano didn't sell very well becasue it was the same price as the 30gig video.

If you look at the line-up right now it's perfectly setup with the 80gig classic at $250. I don't know anyone who would pass up a classic for a 16 gig nano at the same price.

That said look at the iPod touch, the difference in price between the 8gig and 16gig is $100. I don't know how much of that is inflated, but chances are you'd be looking at a $300 price tag for the 16gig nano, not $250.

I think Apple knows exactly what they are doing based on sales of previous nano generations. Those of you willing to pay $250 or more for the 16gig nano are a rare type, most would be happy jumping to the classic.What market exactly are you looking at?
1. The 8GB nano outsold the 30GB iPod - even at the same price, more people chose form factor and durability over capacity and features.
2. The 3G nanos are right this very minute under capacity and over priced compared to the rest of the flash market. Sansa's competing product is 16GB for $200 - that's double the capacity with a larger feature set. Creative's competing product (expected to ship in less than 2 weeks) is 16GB with a much larger, much nicer screen for $250.

I also think Apple knows exactly what they're doing, but for completely different reasons. Apple knows that, one, there are a lot of people out there like you that don't look at the whole DAP market and just compare Apples to Apples (pun intended). Two, Apple also knows that during the upcoming holidays they don't have to have the best value out there, just something for parents to put under the X'mas tree at a larger than usual profit margin.

[Scoot65]

Actually, I'm waiting for a 16GB Nano.

Currently I'm using a 2nd Gen 20GB iPod and it's about half full. Personally, I'll never fill an 80GB iPod with music (I'm not interested in Films/videos on my iPod), so 80GB for me at least, it's overkill.

A 16GB Nano would suit my needs very well. I can have all my music with me in a very small form factor. To be honest, the 2G Nano would have fine with me if it had been 16GB.

[Quillz]

A 16 GB nano (and iPhone) are certainly going to be released, but I'd expect not for a while, possibly not even within the next year. I think the reason the touch is being released in a 16 GB model is because it's a supposed flagship model and they need to make a compelling reason you'd want to spend $399 on it instead of the iPhone. By contrast, the nano is well established and very popular. Apple has found the perfect product at the perfect price point (the 3G nano @ $199.) Until this falls out of favor with consumers, there will be little financial need to release a 16 GB nano.

[ben7337]

Since the Sansa has a 16 GB model at $200, and creative has been posted here also, has a 16 GB model for $250, I think that at some point, like next march or so there might be a 16 GB nano 3g just to fight the competition. However it obviously won't be out for christmas and they would have to put it a decent bit away from the new 4g nano release date next year.

[paranoidxe]

Sometimes apple likes to release product refreshes in Jan/Feb region..Shuffle last year for instance got a color update. Perhaps we will see a 16GB around this time in 2008.

[nsx_23]

Hmm, it'd be interesting to see a 16GB Nano, but I'll still stick with my 8GB one since I don't use my iPod that often (it was only ever a secondary player).

Meanwhile, a high capacity version of the touch would really get my attention if apple fixes all the stupid bugs. I can't imagine how rubbish battery life would be for a device with a touch screen and a hard disk to spin.....

[scogold]

that pushes people to purchase the more expensive one if they want colour.

i don't see a 16GB nano coming out anytime soon to keep it away from a high end player. otherwise it would cannibalize the iPod Touch sales

simple marketing...damn them!

[Code Monkey]

that pushes people to purchase the more expensive one if they want colour.

i don't see a 16GB nano coming out anytime soon to keep it away from a high end player. otherwise it would cannibalize the iPod Touch sales

simple marketing...damn them!Before I saw the iPod touch, I'd have slammed you for being so dense. There's a $100 difference between the 8GB nano and the 8GB touch - if it were possible for the nano to be cannibalising touch sales, it would already be doing so. If we had a $250 16GB nano (what I am beginning to fear Apple will "wow" us with come spring), there would be a $150 differential between its "competing" touch. Clearly, anybody with more than one functioning brain cell can make an informed choice between the two and would never chose one or the other on a whim: $100-$150 is not a trivial amount of cash for the majority of #### sapiens, and if it was, you probably just bought both of them anyhow.

However, after seeing how they took the time and effort to deliberately dumb down the touch for fear that somebody actually willing to drop $600 and up a year on a phone plan PLUS the cost of the hardware to have an iPhone would decide to just buy a touch instead, you might be right.

[scogold]

Before I saw the iPod touch, I'd have slammed you for being so dense. There's a $100 difference between the 8GB nano and the 8GB touch - if it were possible for the nano to be cannibalising touch sales, it would already be doing so. If we had a $250 16GB nano (what I am beginning to fear Apple will "wow" us with come spring), there would be a $150 differential between its "competing" touch. Clearly, anybody with more than one functioning brain cell can make an informed choice between the two and would never chose one or the other on a whim: $100-$150 is not a trivial amount of cash for the majority of #### sapiens, and if it was, you probably just bought both of them anyhow.

However, after seeing how they took the time and effort to deliberately dumb down the touch for fear that somebody actually willing to drop $600 and up a year on a phone plan PLUS the cost of the hardware to have an iPhone would decide to just buy a touch instead, you might be right.


Just saying they have clearly defined markets with their products:

Lower Class > iPod Shuffle
Middle Class/Teens > iPod nano
Middle/Upper Class > iPod Touch

Upper Class (FT Working 22+ people) > iPhone

The pricing clearly fits into each category. The Teens will pay that extra $50 just so they can get a coloured version of their nano. The upper/middle and upper class wont want a flashy colourful iPod hence no colour in the Touch/iPhone. Therefore, it would be quite silly for them to make the Nano and Touch in identical sizes...it's just simple marketing:D

[Code Monkey]

Therefore, it would be quite silly for them to make the Nano and Touch in identical sizes...it's just simple marketing:DI think you missed the part about how they already are making them in identical sizes. The fact that you can get a bigger touch for another $100 doesn't change the fact that you can get the nano and touch in exactly the same capacity right now with "only" the facts that they're wildly different products targetting completely different markets combined with a $100 price differential for the 8GB versions. They *can't* cannibalise one another any more than the touch could cannibalise iPhone sales. However, you and Apple seem to be using the same form of logic - so they might actually hold off ;)

Your analyses is still wildly flawed (never mind that you left the classic out of it completely)...

[scogold]

Your analyses is still wildly flawed (never mind that you left the classic out of it completely)...

I'm just stating it from a marketing perspective.

I was just looking at the flash based systems. After having my 3G 20GB iPod "classic" harddrive break 2x, I decided never to get a HD based iPod...I run too much:p

[Code Monkey]

I'm just stating it from a marketing perspective.There's very little point beating this horse again, but I'll simply point out that it's wrong from any perspective. They're already marketing the same capacity players in both leagues, it has NOTHING to do with your imaginary marketing perspective.

[CrazyPodMan]

I think that if I apple were to add another capacity level to the nano, they would have to drop the entry level player to $100 which might affect Shuffle sales..

[ben7337]

crazypodman, they wouldn't lower the price as they are very popular. Creative wants $250 for their 16 GB player and Sandisk wants $200 so as apple is the most popular out there they can easily get away with $250 for 16 GB.

[paranoidxe]

The pricing for the 2nd gen was $150, $200, and $250..why couldn't they have the same pricing scheme with a 16GB model?

Apple doesn't have to reduce prices right now, they aren't a underdog.

[pohatu771]

People complained that 8GB iPod nano and 30GB iPod 5G were the same price- what would they say if 16GB iPod nano and 80GB iPod classic were the same?

[Code Monkey]

People complained that 8GB iPod nano and 30GB iPod 5G were the same price- what would they say if 16GB iPod nano and 80GB iPod classic were the same?Um, "Give me the 16GB nano" ;)

People complained, but it never stopped it from selling, probably better. The people who are vocal about the price/capacity issues are irrelevant, ignorant, and wouldn't likely be buying them at any price point because what they happen to want is the large capacity, which flash just can't provide.

[Sancroff]

Comparing a 16 GB Nano to an 80 GB Classic is like comparing a BMW Z4 Roadster to a Chevy Suburban. Both vehicles are roughly the same price. Chevy uses tonnage to describe the Suburban. No mention of tonnage in the description of the Z4.