Is 16gb enough for you to replace your old ipod?

[JMG]

I was really looking forward to the announcement of the new iPod today. Everything was looking REALLY good, it looks great, the wifi is cool, but then the storage capacities were announced and I was disappointed. 16gb is not enough for me to replace my current 60gb 5G. is it for you?

[AmazingDM]

Heeeeelllll no

[derring do]

I would guess they're not really intended to replace bigger ones yet. This looks like a trial balloon to me... is it all flash memory in the Touch? This allows them to get the WiFi out there, and drive it around for a while. Like the iPhone, I'll let this one go.

The classic in silver, with an 80 or 160gb drive, however, is infinitely attractive. :D

[jhollington]

Not for a moment...

At this point, the Touch is a non-starter for me. I already have an iPhone, so the only benefit the Touch offers is potentially-increased capacity. However, the increased capacity is insufficient, and therefore I'm going to need to either keep my 5.5G or get an iPod Classic. At that point, there's really no point in a 16GB model.

[schwank]

if i dont get an iphone, Ill get this... wide screen, wifi wonderfullness...

if only the iphone was 16gb...

[Bob]

No iPhone here yet and I seriously doubt if I will take one one with the possible UK costs attached to it. But an iPod with a Safari browser just for the odd occasion I want to surf the net? That might do it - but 16GB will not replace my 60gb even if it is only 2/3 full......

[Uriel0922]

its way to small for my taste I wont be getting one till its 60 gigs or more.

[Mightion]

I don't have an iPhone, and I'm only using 6.1 gb of the 8 gb on my red Nano, so the iPod Touch does look attractive to me, if I was in the market for a new iPod.

Yes, compared to a hard-drive based iPod, 16gb could be considered "not enough"... but for us Nano owners (or mini); 16 gb is a definite upgrade, even without the WiFi candy.

Thumbs up from me.

[JMG]

I would have honestly settled for a 16gb iPhone as the added benefits of EDGE internet and phone capabilities make up for the loss in storage, but for an IPOD as a standalone music/photo/video player it's just not enough.

[~NeonFire372~]

Meh. I had high expectations for Apple with the iPod Touch and when I read that it only had a storage capacity of 8/16GB, it all went out the window. I'll be happy with my 160GB iPod Classic, thank you.

[Tim3167]

Well I have about 60gb worth of music so 16gb isn't enough or I'm wondering maybe it is.....

I almost exclusively listen to music through a series of Smart Playlists so I really only listen to a relatively small playlist at any one time. How will smart playlists work on the Touch. I had read that you cannot use these on the Iphone. Is this true? I could set up some feeder pool playlists for the spl to pull from but still would be a relatively small sample of the overall library. My point is that I hardly ever just get the whim to listen to a specific track from my collection.

Also, how easy is it to rate songs on the IPhone interface as I like to be able to do this easiliy. I would love to see the Now Playing screen for both the touch and the classic.

[Andysmind]

There's no way i'd replace my 80GB with a 16GB iPod. I was hoping for large capacity and a bigger screen because i watch a lot of tv shows on my ipod so there's no way i'll be buying one.

[AHHHHHHH]

Lol, only one vote for yes

[homeboy]

16GB isn't even enough to accommodate my music. Heck I also have several videos to fill that device up with.

I'm going to be picking up an black iPod Classic 80GB and buy an iPod touch with 32GB or 64GB in a year or so.

[honeybee1236]

Definitely NO. If it had the 160GB HD then yes I would buy it but I have an iPhone I can use but I will get the 160GB Classic. My 80GB is full now. The videos & concerts take a up a lot of room.

[bsj66]

i only have a 1st gen 1 gig nano and this is a huge improvment over 1 gig so yes it is for sure!

[plazman30]

Would it kill them to make an HD based iPod Touch?? A nice 160 GB iPod Touch would be sweet. Hopefully since it's OS X, it can be hacked to play divx files.

Andy

[homeboy]

I would have loved to see an iPod touch 80GB and 8GB for the same price. That would have made everybody happy.

[AlphaRob]

Absolutely.

[M Polo]

For me it is. I can finally pass my Nano on to my wife and get rid of this brick of a Zune. I ordered the 16gb the second the store put them up. I like the features, the looks and the storage is enough for me right now.

[DiGiC]

Its all good and everything but I think I'll wait for 6ish months till my mobile contract is up and the iphone is released in this country. Maybe then the bigger capacity phone will be out (or near to).

I Love the refreshed looks of the nano and 'classic', the 160GB storage is very attractive, its even £10 less than what I paid for my 5.5G 80GB 6 months ago

[mr-ed]

I can fill the new 160 Classic with music alone, forget video. So I've learnt how to make playlist an have also learnt to remember to sync it the night before.
Why do you need to carry everything with you?
Longer trips I have a laptop anyway.
What I'd really like to see would be the ability to sync with and pull files from a standalone portable drive, so that would be all I'd have to take on holiday.

[Mr. E.]

I like having my library with me on trips, but for daily use, I think I could easily get by on 16 or 8 gbs. So it wouldn't replace my 5G, but if the WiFi stuff was useful enough, I could see using it as a 2nd iPod. I keep hearing that flash-based is less likely to break than hard drive-based, so I can see the appeal, but I won't be abandoning my 5G any time soon, unless it's for a 6G.

[Jackonicko]

As a primary iPod, 16 GB isn't enough.

As a replacement for my existing Nano (which I use mainly for exercising) it is too much money and too many features.

But I could still see a use for it, thanks to it having Safari.

Does it have the software keyboard to type in website addresses/hotspot passwords, etc?

Does that mean that you could also send web-based e-mails via a WiFi hotspot?

Or receive them via Mail2web?

That starts to look like an interesting capability - especially if data rates on the UK iPhone make that an unaffordable device.

Anyone know if they have them at Regent's Street yet?

[GianlucaM]

16 GB is not enough for me.
I ain't buying this touch-thing.
If you ask me it's got too many features for the amount of storage, so it does not fit well in any category.

[1ghziMac]

I dont keep all of my music in my 80- gig to listen at once. Can't ever imagine being able to listen to it all or even remember what I have to want to listen to it. 16 is fine for me.

[manders4001]

"its way to small for my taste I wont be getting one till its 60 gigs or more."

[Bob]

But I could still see a use for it, thanks to it having Safari.

Does it have the software keyboard to type in website addresses/hotspot passwords, etc?

Does that mean that you could also send web-based e-mails via a WiFi hotspot?

Or receive them via Mail2web?


Anyone know if they have them at Regent's Street yet?


http://www.apple.com/ipodtouch/features.html?feature=safari

As for Regents St - it isn't even on the UK Apple site yet......:shake:

[hyphenpipe]

I am very disappointed with the decision to only offer the itouch at this time in only a 8GB or 16GB configuration.

I have no doubt they plan on releasing the itouch in the near future with a hard drive and more storage but I think that time should have been now.

The itouch is taylor made for video with it's larger screen and increased PPI. and yet they only offer 16GB of storage?

The first season of Heroes, which I purchased from itunes, is 11GB as it is.

Someone wasn't thiking on this one.

[kornchild2002]

16GB isn't enough if I wanted to take my entire library around for a listen. Do I ever sit and listen to my entire library? Nope. I have listened to almost every song in my library at least once but it is just too huge.

Once your library gets over 100GB, you learn to use playlists. I may sync about 45GB worth of music to my 60GB iPod but I would always use a playlist to listen to my music. This playlist has songs hand picked by me and it is around 8-9GB in capacity. When walking to class, that will take me about one month to get to the end of the playlist. So the 16GB capacity doesn't bother me if I just want to carry around my best of playlist along with some music videos. It does bother me if I want to carry around all of my music along with all of my TV shows, movies, and music videos.

So it is hit and miss with me. On one hand, the iPod touch is sexy as hell and has all the features that I would want in a iPod (I am just waiting next for the ability to edit Word documents, Excel documents, and PowerPoint presentations). The absolute only thing I don't like about this iPod is the small capacity. Other than that, I think Apple has made a hit. The capacity isn't bad at all for using flash memory but it can't compare to hard drive capacities.

[hyphenpipe]

I am so disappointed I purposely joined this forum just to vent.

And the last thing I need is to join another forum.

[jhollington]

Well, welcome to iLounge anyway.... :)

[madmaxmedia]

I votes yes. My previous iPods were 20GB and 30GB, this is not far off from the 4G 20GB I owned for awhile.

My music collection is far bigger, big enough that I'd need the 160GB to hold all my music and have room for movies.

But the features of the Touch are more important to me, than wanting to carry my entire music collection. Most of it I don't really listen to much anyways.

[pufftissue]

Why in anyone's name would anyone buy a 8 gb ipod touch for $299 when a refurb $349 8 gb iphone can be had?

Anyone who can shell out $300 would probably be able to cough up another $50 for a phone, external speaker, bluetooth.....and could probably resell it for $50 more once you're ready to upgrade.

I am shocked that the nano remains at 8 gb. This has never happened before. Always there have been higher new capacities before in each product.

The iphone will be 16 gb soon, as in by January, if not 32 gb by then. Considering the hype, I'm pretty disappointed at the ipods this time around. And we've waited 2 years.

Then again, in terms of playing just music, it seems like the ipod classic/nano have been maxed out. Not much else one could do.

[Pearson]

If it were 160GB HDD instead of 16GB Flash, then it would have been worth upgrading from my 5.5G 80GB iPod. I just upgraded to my 80GB from a 5G 30GB iPod when the 5.5G came out. This was done because my 30GB was almost used up and was about to get the 60GB when 5.5G was announced. Now that my 80GB is almost used up, I ordered the 160GB iPod Classic. Never really wasn't interested in the iPhone and I am still not interested in it, even with the price drop and the fact that I'm happy with Verizon.

[homeboy]

Why in anyone's name would anyone buy a 8 gb ipod touch for $299 when a refurb $349 8 gb iphone can be had?

It's simple. The iPod doesn't require you to sign up for an expensive 2 years contract. Though things will change where there's iPhone unlocking software around.

[Germansuplex]

No way. I was looking foward to the iPod touch, even though I own and iPhone. Now, I'm looking at the 160gb iPod classic.

I really find it strange that Apple released this hyped iPod with flash memory instead of a hard disk. But, I'm sure they've thought it out and decided on it for whatever reason. When they add some serious storage to this device, I'll take another look.

[mikepatt]

I say yes, just because for now I don't have 16 GB on my 40 GB 4th Gen Ipod. However, I am disappointed that there isn't a HD based 30, 40, 60 or 80 GB Touch, since video uses up so much more space. I have read several posts that suggest that the HD and WiFi together would use up too much battery, which may be true, but couldn't they make it a tiny bit larger and use a larger battery?

Mike

[Surf Monkey]

Not even close.

[kornchild2002]

The iphone will be 16 gb soon, as in by January, if not 32 gb by then. Considering the hype, I'm pretty disappointed at the ipods this time around. And we've waited 2 years.


Proof? The iPhone will most definitely not be 32GB by January, that is pushing it. 32GB flash drives for notebooks still cost well over $300 and they are expected to fall to $250 by this holiday season. That is not enough of a price decrease for Apple to put it in their iPod touch/iPhone. That is what I think. I can see a 16GB iPhone being released but no one knows when that will happen. So until there is solid proof, you need to add "I think" before/after your statement.

You may have waited two years but I have been enjoying my video iPod since 2005. As far as the hype, none of it was created by Apple. You didn't see little adds scattered throughout our media world or real world. The hype was created by tech "news" websites such as thinksecret and appleinsider (other true tech news websites like Engadget helped fuel the fire) in order to pull viewers in. So any hype you had was not created by Apple, it was created by your own thoughts and other various sources. I don't mean to sound harsh or anything but I just wanted to get that across.

[Bonk]

I say yes. I have a 2 GB iPod that is nearly full. The 8GB Touch alone would be enough for me. I'm more interested in the technology that is in the Touch.

[Neonecron]

If only they could've squeezed out 30GB... I could've cut some music out. Problem is that I wanted the touchscreen for videos as well and if I somehow manage to widdle down my collection to 16GB, I'd have no more room for videos!

Now, if only it had some kind of online radio feature like Pandora or something, I definitely reconsider.

As of now, I'm looking at the 80GB just to hold me over until they finally decide to release a HDD version.

[homeboy]

If only they could've squeezed out 30GB... I could've cut some music out. Problem is that I wanted the touchscreen for videos as well and if I somehow manage to widdle down my collection to 16GB, I'd have no more room for videos!

Now, if only it had some kind of online radio feature like Pandora or something, I definitely reconsider.

As of now, I'm looking at the 80GB just to hold me over until they finally decide to release a HDD version.

This is only a start. 32GB will come out next year.

[hedzup]

its enough for me. i have a 30gb but only use 10.5 gb of it. now that's 4.6 days of music. if you round up to the 16gb and subtract whatever the operating system takes up then i would imagine thats 6 days of straight music.

if you assume you sleep/eat/go to bathroom without listening to your ipod, and use your ipod (lets be generous) 12 hours a day, thats 2 days right there on a single charge. so seeing as 2 actual days equals one day of music listening that's about 12 days to get through the whole ipod. thats more than enough time for me, anyways, to listen to some music, get tired of listening to it constantly, and move onto a new cd or revisit an old one.

i mean sure, its convenient having it all with you, but there's only so many hours that you listen to your ipod in the first place. if you can't use your ipod at work, then you can't possibly use it 12 hours a day anyways, maybe more like 6 at most, which would mean it would take ~20 days to go through everything (assuming you dont work on weekends and can listen to your ipod more then).

i'll definitely be getting the 16gb version :] and i'll be getting it with my hard earned money that i made with my summer job too. no whining to parents to get me it and having to wait till christmas haha

[Ev!L-aLpHA]

HELL NO:mad: :shake:

im quite ####ed off that the ipod touch has a limit of 16 gigs.. man i was so ready to get rid of my 60gig 5th gen... geuss that wont happen until they release bigger ipod touchs or something:shake:

rediculous

[Lenonn]

Nope. I'm going to wait for a larger-capacity iPod Touc to be released before I even consider buying one.

[sectachrome]

No, its not. I was ready to go and buy one until I saw the capacity which I was shocked by. I have a 30 now and Im starting to have to take things off to put new things on which annoys me. A big reason I wanted a new one was because I needed a capacity upgrade. Sure the "Classic" has obscene amounts of storage, but it is definitely not enough of a change from the 5th gen to warrant upgrading. Im not THAT desperate for space.

I think a lot of people want a high capacity Touch, but are telling themselves that 16 gigs will be okay because they want one so bad even though they would much rather a 30 or 60 if they had the choice. I will not be settling. Looks like Ill be waiting, again :shake:

[Maticek]

I think 16gb is enough for all the good stuff that I have.

People will have to get used to carrying just some songs from an album and not the whole album. Does this suck? Maybe.

On the other hand, if you find that 16gb is not enough, you can always go to your local apple store and buy an 80gb iPod classic. THat's 80gb for only 250$, unbelievable!

[Surf Monkey]

80 gig is nothing. Get the 160 and never look back.

[Maticek]

True, but 80 gig seems really cheap at 250. 350$ is a whole another level :)

[porieux]

Then again, in terms of playing just music, it seems like the ipod classic/nano have been maxed out. Not much else one could do.


Not for me. I would like the experience on the iPod to be as powerful as using iTunes on the computer.
Which means for one thing being able to create on the go smart playlists. Sorting playlists by select criteria.
Seeing all the important metadata when browsing playlists, or wherever. Zooming in on cover art... song lyrics.
Hell even a visualizer would be nice and shouldn't be that much trouble. Crossfading playback. Ability to crossfade
to a new song even while in the middle of the current song. (this would be nice in iTunes also). I could go on LOL.

[yinyang]

no it isn't, but i'm not getting it to hold my entire music collection - the GUI, safari and screen are what interest me much more than plain old capacity!

[VulnoX]

Well my iPod Touch is on Pre-order, but since I wont see it for a month from when I ordered it, I have had some time to do some searching and some thinking.

First, I have an iPod 5th Gen 30GB. I only use about 4.5GB for my music. That leaves me roughly 10 gigabytes for video. Right now I have 20 movies on my 5th gen, ranging from an hour and a half to two hours.

With all of my music, and all those videos (18 of which I don't even need on there anymore), I am still only using 19GB.

I also have several podcasts and video podcasts.

Basically, I would have to do some deleting about once a week of old movies I am done watching, but I pretty much do that anyway.

So I am thinking maybe the iPod touch is a good replacement for my 5th gen. I love music, I listen to my 5th gen from morning to night, while driving, at work, working out, its just become the center of everything I do. But I just don't see myself having 30 gigs of music that I will always care about listening to. I mean of the 4.5GB I have now, only MAYBE 1/3 of that does not just get skipped over because I have heard it so much that I don't want to hear it again.

I really wish Apple would make a subscription service like the Zune pass so I could freely explore some new artists and music. That will be one nice thing about the Touch, I can sample new stuff right from the comfort of my iPod.

[tintin]

I'm going for an 8GB model, and have sold my 80GB Video.

Bottom line is there won't be large capacity hard drive based Touch models anytime soon. Maybe as the tech evolves, the Classic model will end up with a bigger screen with the Touch interface, but I doubt it anytime soon.

It's a new model of use - smaller capacity, better device, wireless connectivity. You'll be downloading/streaming more, storing less locally.

I'm fine with setting up playlists and syncing my Touch when I want to update my selection. If I can get Podcasts over WiFi through the new WiFi iTunes store, then all the better.

At some point Apple will make your iTunes collection available over the network, providing you with remote access to your purchased library over wireless connections to your iPod. Reduces the storage requirements on the device, making them smaller and cheaper. They'll probably charge a premium per unit of content (song, tv show, movie) for remote access. Only thing stopping them is the lawyers.

[Surf Monkey]

You'll be downloading/streaming more, storing less locally.


It'll always be a combination. Streaming/downloading won't be viable as a storage replacement until speeds are vastly increased. Additionally, there are always going to be files that you don't want to stream or store remotely. Even with increased streaming the need for large storage capacity isn't going to go away. It'll continue to increase at practically the same rate we've seen since the invention of the hard drive in the first place IMO.

[Gunner]

Someone else hit it on the head, re: smart playlists.

For years I always had to get a bigger and bigger MP3 player to carry my burgeoning music collection. Then it occurred to me that I rarely listen to 80% of what I have.

I now use smart playlists in itunes to manage my stuff.

***** = love it
**** = like it, will listen to it most of the time
*** = lets take it, might want to listen to it more often than not
** = rarely (if ever) listen to this, leave it at home
* = mark for deletion (why did I download you?)

This and a few genre exclusions (holidays, etc) cuts my 45GB library down to a very portable 12GB of tunes I actually want with me wherever I am going. I listen to unrated stuff on my PC so the mix on the ipod changes over time. If I find that I don't listen to a song much anymore I mark it down to 1 or 2 stars for deletion or archiving.

And my audiobooks... I have like 10 of them and listen to only one at a time, why on earth am I keeping all of them on the ipod at once?

Same goes for TV series. If you have the whole series of Heroes do you really need EVERY episode on your pod for instant watching? Or do you just put the episode you are currently watching and maybe the next one and keep the rest at home?

I realize that this is not possible for everyone. Some people simply HAVE TO HAVE their entire music/video collection with them at all times, but I think if they are honest with themselves they will realize that they never play the vast majority for weeks/months at a time, and it's not much fuss to organize it for portable use.

So now my 30GB 5G iPod is getting sold to a friend and I am ordering the 16GB iPod. As others have said, the move is towards solid state. Apple will keep HDD in the Classic and just increase capacity on the Touch. I would expect a 32GB Touch for the same price as the 16GB model by next spring. So if you would live better with 32GB then wait another 6 months or so and it will probably happen.

[Surf Monkey]

Everyone has different usage patterns. I really only listen to entire albums. Additionally, I never know exactly what I'm going to want to listen to at any given moment. That's why I like to have my entire library with me at all times. If I get a sudden urge to listen to Coltrane Live at the Village Vanguard, I can do it with just a few clicks. If I'm suddenly in the mood to hear Maria Callas sing Puccini, I can do it with just a few clicks. If I feel like some Spoon or Radiohead or any other rock band I like, I have practically the entire discography right there on my iPod. For my purposes, nothing short of having my entire library with me at all times is a workable solution.

That's what people should keep in mind. Everyone uses their iPod differently. There is no "one size fits all" solution. Some of us will never be happy without massive capacity. Others will never need more than the 1 gig that the Shuffle offers. Therefore it's absurd to even discuss it since there will never be an end to it. It just leads to insulting statements like:

"Some people simply HAVE TO HAVE their entire music/video collection with them at all times, but I think if they are honest with themselves they will realize that they never play the vast majority for weeks/months at a time, and it's not much fuss to organize it for portable use."

Being honest with oneself has nothing to do with it. The issue is a difference in philosophy. It's practically a religious or political issue. So yeah, do me a favor and try to avoid disrespecting me by trying to convince me that I don't need to store my whole library on my iPod.

[hankster]

at last the true video ipod we've all been waiting for!

just don't put too much video on it...

:shake:

no.

[Gunner]

Everyone has different usage patterns. I really only listen to entire albums. Additionally, I never know exactly what I'm going to want to listen to at any given moment. That's why I like to have my entire library with me at all times. If I get a sudden urge to listen to Coltrane Live at the Village Vanguard, I can do it with just a few clicks. If I'm suddenly in the mood to hear Maria Callas sing Puccini, I can do it with just a few clicks. If I feel like some Spoon or Radiohead or any other rock band I like, I have practically the entire discography right there on my iPod. For my purposes, nothing short of having my entire library with me at all times is a workable solution.

That's what people should keep in mind. Everyone uses their iPod differently. There is no "one size fits all" solution. Some of us will never be happy without massive capacity. Others will never need more than the 1 gig that the Shuffle offers. Therefore it's absurd to even discuss it since there will never be an end to it. It just leads to insulting statements like:

"Some people simply HAVE TO HAVE their entire music/video collection with them at all times, but I think if they are honest with themselves they will realize that they never play the vast majority for weeks/months at a time, and it's not much fuss to organize it for portable use."

Being honest with oneself has nothing to do with it. The issue is a difference in philosophy. It's practically a religious or political issue. So yeah, do me a favor and try to avoid disrespecting me by trying to convince me that I don't need to store my whole library on my iPod.

Yikes!! Lighten up! :D

Like I said;

I realize that this is not possible for everyone. I have a 65GB music collection. Most of my friends have huge music collections. We ALL used to listen to entire albums and I guess because we're getting old or something we don't do that as much.

I probably have about 50-60 complete albums that are part of my mobile playlist and I have another 1000 or more loose songs.

I know that there are people, like yourself, that listen to entire albums and I respect that. For many of us (majority probably) we simply don't have the opportunity to listen to a 60 minute album at a sitting with a portable device.

[Gunner]

at last the true video ipod we've all been waiting for!

just don't put too much video on it...

:shake:

no.

Then don't buy it. Flash memory is expensive. A hard drive unit would have in all likelihood been physically larger as well as have much poorer battery life.

The new 'ipod classics' are very nice units and with 160GB of storage should satisfy most of those who want to drag around tons of full length movies, TV shows, etc.

I highly doubt that Apple is going to make a HD touch unit for the reasons above. If anything they will keep this form factor for the next several years, increasing storage capacity as it becomes available.

If previous trends are an indicator, the iPod Touch will have 64GB of storage within 3 yrs, which will satisfy a lot of people.

[Bowlerguy92]

No way in hell. It's a great device but the storage capacity turns me away every time.

[homeboy]

no it isn't, but i'm not getting it to hold my entire music collection - the GUI, safari and screen are what interest me much more than plain old capacity!

I second that. Especially after sleeping on the dilemma. I believe I can make life work with 16GB even though it's half of what I really want. I'll do that by only syncing the songs I love and frequently listen too.

Even though I'm used to carrying all my music with me, there is a good percentage of song which haven't been played more than 3-5 times and those are the ones which I can exclude.

It's not what I want but it's a good compromise. The WiFi, Safari, features, screen size not to mention fast flash memory has over weighed the "infinite" capacity the iPod Classic offer.

[yacoub]

Is 16GB enough? No, especially since the biggest reason to get the Touch would be to watch videos on the 3.5" widescreen.

The safari browser is of limited usefulness imho since the only way to access the internet on the Touch is via Wifi hotspots and you're trying to read websites on a little 3.5" screen. The best part is being able to watch movies in a more natural aspect ratio when holding the Touch sideways.

[homeboy]

Is 16GB enough? No, especially since the biggest reason to get the Touch would be to watch videos on the 3.5" widescreen.

The safari browser is of limited usefulness imho since the only way to access the internet on the Touch is via Wifi hotspots and you're trying to read websites on a little 3.5" screen. The best part is being able to watch movies in a more natural aspect ratio when holding the Touch sideways.


Yeah the internet access i limited. But there are a good percentage of iPod buyers who study at universities which have Wifi covering the whole campus. Further more some have Wifi in their homes and at their work place.


Because of the small screen the browsing is at the moment only there to compliment the music experience. I.E use it for simple surfing like checking buss times, reading emails, reading blogs and news. More or less simple 15-30 minutes tasks. It's definitely not a Sunday night surf machine.

[purplecow]

i only have a 1st gen 1 gig nano and this is a huge improvment over 1 gig so yes it is for sure!Well I have 8 gigs of music plus movies and tv shows.Im not totally convinced im not going to get one though:D im lookin at the ipod classic