Official iPod touch Discussion Thread

[jhollington]

So, with Apple's announcement of the iPod Touch (http://www.apple.com/ipodtouch/) today, what are your thoughts or first impressions?

Post them here....

[MadBob]

Nice idea way too small capacity and who needs WiFi? not me. now a 160GB Classic, that's way more use.

[Neonecron]

Capacity is waay to small. I tried to cut out music I don't listen to that often (or don't like anymore) but couldn't squeeze down to even 16GB. Really disappointed since I was waiting for the touch screen to get me back on iPods, though the classic iPods are tempting.

[reelbgpunk]

The main emphasis of the widescreen is most likely video. With such small capacities you can barely hold any. No thanks. I'll stick with my 80gig 5th gen. Of course Apple could update the firmware for that one unless it wasn't powerful enough for the new stuff, but they won't. All in all I wanted a new one before today but now I have no reason to get one.

[AmazingDM]

This is pretty lame
this just screams wait til 2nd gen

touchscreen is cool and all but what use is it when it's in your pocket or something?
such a tiny capacity I'd rather get an iphone than this.

hey Jhollington do you have any good pics of the back of the ipod classic?

[toothpaste]

Nice maybe I can now avoid buying an iphone since the ipod touch has a web browser allowing me to connect to the internet. Just figure out how to access my machine at home and I'm set.

[Scarpad]

They finally give us a Widescrren Ipod for mainly video use and hobble it with 16gb. Dumb. Obviously its a cost saving move to use the already existing Iphone form factor. But it's not a goo consumer move.

[derring do]

Posted elsewhere on this, but it looks like a trial to me. I'm assuming this device is all flash, and no hd? They wanted a "touch" interface like the iPhone on a pod, and they wanted to test-drive WiFi. This is a good first step, but it looks more like a Touch-Nano to me. Interesting, and I'd take one if they were giving them away... but nothing I'd pay for.

I'm very tempted by the silver 80 and 160gb classics, however.

[cxc273]

Baby steps, I suppose.

I'm not too crazy about the smaller capacity, but when I gave it some more thought, I began to think I could live with it.

It won't replace my 5G 60GB iPod, but I am starting to think it would be a nice complement. First, it would replace my aging wi-fi-less PDA, which I only use to maintain my contacts and calendar. Second, it could become my daily commute iPod, as I mostly use my 5G to listen to podcasts on my bus ride to the office -- I don't really need to carry all 60GB with me each day. Third, the wi-fi capability would allow me to check e-mail and such at the many free Internet places around my town.

So there are some compelling reasons to get one. I'd love, however, to see a Touch with, say, 100GB or more of storage, although that would make it thicker and force the inclusion of a hard drive. I'm sure folks are starting to say similar things in the future iPods forum as discussions fire up for the 2G Touch!

[Derek McNelly]

Meh, I'm not really impressed.

The Nano and the Classic line look cool, but the Touch shouldn't really be the "High End" iPod.

I feel the Classic should be the flagship iPod.

[studogvetmed]

You know if you HAVE to have all of your music with you, there are other options, if you don't, though, there is a cool new offering.

With the way video is consumed it makes perfect sense, at least to me, to come up with some kind of rotation to get what you want to watch over the course of a day to fill an iPod, it's also feasible to knock down and only load 1000 songs to accomidate an iPod.

Sure it's a new way of thinking, and for ever person who thinks it's a crock, another will be all over it. I think Apple is wise to start moving to flash, less hard drive failures, however in doing so we'll have to wait for capacity to catch up.

[DarkWrench]

It looks nice, but as others are saying, the capacity isn't enough.

[~NeonFire372~]

I'll take a 160GB classic, please. No, I don't want fries with that.

[cxc273]

I'm going to hold on to my 5G 60GB for the moment, as I still have ample room and it serves me well.

I'll probably pick up a Touch as soon as it shows up in the refurbished bin on Apple's store, however.

[Mr. E.]

I agree that used strictly in its iPod capacity, there isn't enough memory. Especially when I'm traveling, I like having my entire library at my fingertips, which I currently do with my 5G, except that I always have to weed my video content to make it all fit, so a device that's better for viewing video but holds less seems unlikely to replace my 60gb 5G. The 160gb 6G, however, is very tempting. However, the iPod touch wouldn't have to replace my 5G. On any given day, I largely listen to my latest podcasts, my favourite tunes, and the stuff I most recently added. I could easily fit a day's worth, probably a week's worth, of content in 16gb and use the 5G for longer, out of town trips, but the only reason to do that would be if the other features of the iPod touch were useful enough to make it worth leaving 90% of my library at home every day.
Does the Touch include an e-mail app? I didn't see that mentioned, but it seems important and easy to integrate. I know I could use web-based e-mail, but firing up the web browser for that seems unnecessary.
And a chat client still seems to be missing, which is even more important when you don't have SMS to fall back on.
I would still like SSH access to my home machine, but I guess there's probably not enough demand for that, though it's hard to imagine it'd be difficult to integrate if this thing's built on OSX like the iPhone.

As tempting as the iPhone is, I just don't think I'd use my 24/7 connectivity enough to justify the hundreds of dollars I'd have to spend on the data plan over the course of two years. But finding a wi-fi hotspot is usually easy enough (I'm soaking in one right now), so if the iPod Touch would offer the feature(s) of the iPhone that aren't dependent on a cell service, like e-mail, and the features that seem to be missing from the iPhone, like a chat client, I could see this easily becoming my new daily iPod. But as it stands now, I'm not sure. If I was going to run out and buy an iPod today, I might prefer getting an extra 100 gigs rather than being able to browse the internet and see who's currently playing at Starbucks. It's close, though. If there was VoIP solution, that would probably tip the scale, 'cause I may spend 8 hours a day soaking in WiFi, but I get no AT&T reception here.

[AlphaRob]

I absolutely love it. It's perfect for me. I have a 2GB Nano to complement my 30GB 5th Gen, and I could use the 2GB as my main iPod. I've become pretty good about managing music and stuff. I'll be selling my 30 gig and buying an 8GB or a 16GB (Haven't decided yet) as soon as it's on the shelves.

[M Polo]

I pre-ordered the 16gb w/ the extended service plan as soon as the online store put them up. I can finally put my Nano to rest and get rid of this brick of a Zune.

[cameluk]

Its a bit expensive in the UK £269 which works out as $543 at the current exchange rate for the 16GB version :mad: I think Apple are having a laugh with their currency conversion rates (they are available from Sept 28 on the UK Apple store)

[DiGiC]

I was REALLY looking foward to a HIGH capacity touch, I was grinning from ear to ear as i read the updates on engadget but the second I heard about the capacity I got on eBay and withdrew my 80GB one n was so dissapointed :s

I've got 27.76GB of content music, movies and pics on my pod cos I do around 12hours of travelling every weekend so it absolute that I have storage.

Theres no point in buying a classic at the moment, just for a fresh look that does the same job, I can live without that...

The new nanos look damn sexy though, bet there really tiny in real life, just look at the size of the thumb in the pics compared to the size of it. I like, I still wont get tho, gonna get my mrs one for her birthday tho maybe...

[toothpaste]

I would still like SSH access to my home machine, but I guess there's probably not enough demand for that, though it's hard to imagine it'd be difficult to integrate if this thing's built on OSX like the iPhone.



Demand is there, i'm sure we are not the only two that are thinking of using the wifi for accessing home machines. I agree with your ideas but this is the most important for me wifi/email/messaging or sms would put me over the top and on line to purchase a few of these. :D

[ZPWeeks]

I sold my 80GB 5.5gen before today in anticipation of new stuff.
Just placed my order for the 16GB Touch. I have about 50GB of music, but I'm going to try carrying only some of it around on the Touch and keeping the rest loaded on my laptop. If I find that I really can't stand it (on long vacations or roadtrips) it's a really nice thing that super-high capacity is so cheap now - it wouldn't be that bad dropping $250 on the 80GB classic as well.

[Germansuplex]

I must say that I'm a bit surprised Apple has released this product and also subsidized cost of the iPhone. The iPhone has been out less than three months: just a little over 2 months. And now Apple is releasing what is essentially a "phoneless" iPhone with many of the key features of the iPhone intact: wider screen, multi-touch, wireless, safari, youtube, etc. I did not expect most of these features to be included. Yes, naturally it makes sense, but when you think about marketing and all of that jazz, I wonder how AT&T feels about people being able to get many of the phone's key features without buying the phone itself.

I bought the iPhone. I really like it, but now it seems to have lost a bit of it's luster.

[jackson83]

It's like seeing the new Ferrari roll out and then finding out it has a 1.5 liter 150hp engine. I understand why they are doing this - it just isn't practical for me. I'll be waiting for a 50+ Gb version. That may be some time.

[np2100]

I am pretty impressed. A wide screen wifi device for $299. I'm comparing it to a Nokia N800, which on the street sells for about $359. Of course, I haven't figured out what the screen resolution of the ipod touch is. The N800 is 800 pixels wide.

[a113524c]

Keynote is offically up!

[jhollington]

The iPod touch is the same as the iPhone: 320x480.

[DiGiC]

Keynote is offically up!

Have u got a link pls?

[tnisatard]

whats the battery life on this

[Mr. E.]

Have u got a link pls?
http://www.apple.com/quicktime/qtv/keynote/

I like how he mentions the wifi and then tries to build suspense as he leads into the fact that Safari is on the iPhone. Why would they even put wifi on there if there wasn't a browser as well? "Not only did we add wifi, but, and you're not going to believe this, we also added a way for you to actually use it."

[Pearson]

http://www.apple.com/quicktime/qtv/keynote/

I like how he mentions the wifi and then tries to build suspense as he leads into the fact that Safari is on the iPhone. Why would they even put wifi on there if there wasn't a browser as well? "Not only did we add wifi, but, and you're not going to believe this, we also added a way for you to actually use it."

If I were there, I'd been the one laughing out loud and booing throughout the whole keynote address because of asinine comments like that and the memory capacity of the iPod touch.

[sircheesecake]

Ive already preordered my 16gb ipod touch but i have one question. Does the ipod touch have a glass front or the scratchmagnet front of the other ipods?

[goldenman]

Ive already preordered my 16gb ipod touch but i have one question. Does the ipod touch have a glass front or the scratchmagnet front of the other ipods?

I'm really hoping it will be a glass front, I don't see why not.

[raz1337]

I've been using an 80GB 5th Gen for the last 6 months, and I was looking forward to buying an ipod similar to it but with widescreen within the next few months, but this is disappointing. I only have 4GB of music, but I also have 19GB of movies and 39GB of tv shows, so I'm not putting out the money for it if I want to carry around 2 ipods.

I'm just not running out of space, so the classic isn't worth it to me, either. I keep my ipod in an iskin evo3. So, it's quite thick, takes up about twice as much room or more with the case on it. The case keeps it safe, though, so it's worth it to have it be a little thicker.

[EricDra7en]

16GB - are you kidding me? Are you freakin' kidding me??

I was waiting and waiting for a widescreen iPod forever. I finally broke down and bought an 80GB a few months ago. I love it and I'm glad I did, because I SURE ain't buying an iPod with less than 40GB - preferably 60GB. A lot of the appeal of an iPod to me was the ability to carry my whole music collection with me. Now that there are movies and t.v. shows it's ridiculous to me to think of a 16GB iPod.

Anyone think there's any hope of them putting a higher capacity touch for this Christmas season?

[yinyang]

i stopped worrying about having my entire music collection on my iPod quite a while ago - the 60Gb iPod photo is now used as an external HD for photo backup. my 2G shuffle is what i use these days awya from home. at home my mac is on constant shuffle, so i still get to listen to all my music.

for me the 'iTouch' is a better option for watching video on the move as well as doing things like web browsing/email checking on the move (all my mail is accessible via web interfaces), and my current phone contract goes for another 18 months! plus no 3G iPhone yet!!

[muffinmanAZ]

I've been using an 80GB 5th Gen for the last 6 months, and I was looking forward to buying an ipod similar to it but with widescreen within the next few months, but this is disappointing. I only have 4GB of music, but I also have 19GB of movies and 39GB of tv shows, so I'm not putting out the money for it if I want to carry around 2 ipods.


Do you really need to carry around 19GB of movies and 39GB of tv shows with you at all times? Plan on going on many 50 hour plane trips?

I think if you practice better library (in particular, VIDEO) management, you can get what you want in the 16 GB iPod touch.

[Surf Monkey]

Do you really need to carry around 19GB of movies and 39GB of tv shows with you at all times? Plan on going on many 50 hour plane trips?

I think if you practice better library (in particular, VIDEO) management, you can get what you want in the 16 GB iPod touch.


People need to get over this insulting attitude. If the guy wants to carry around his whole library, there's nothing wrong with it. That usage is just as legitimate as anyone else's. I just find comments like yours snotty. Maybe the guy doesn't know exactly what he's going to want to watch or listen to. Maybe he just wants to have all his media with him all the time. Either way, he doesn't deserve the kind of vitriol you're throwing at him.

[tanik]

I think maybe most of you guys are missing the point. They aren't creating these new iPods solely for former owners to trade up. This is simply the latest and greatest way to attract new customers who may not have the huge music library that some audiophiles do. Like me for instance - I have 20G 5th generation and I'm having the worst time filling it...this new iPod is perfect for me. And honestly, is anyone just as flipping annoyed with the clickwheel? It's entirely too cumbersome. Having a touch screen will rock with some of the iTunes games too.

[mdibella]

Well, Apple could sell me TWO new iPods with the release of one accessory. I'd buy a huge classic iPod for carrying my 'stuff' with me and I'd buy a widescreen one for watching videos...IF there were a way to transfer files between the two on the fly. I don't want to have to carry my laptop PC around with me, I just want to use the classic as a music player and as a storage medium for large videos, and to transfer the video files to the widescreen iPod when I want to watch them. Since both iPods would be registered to me, it seems like they could add some level of security to the process so they can verify I'm just using my own purchased files. I'm not talking about some huge gadget, just some cabling with connectors on both sides. Couldn't they do this with a firmware upgrade that would let my two iPods talk to each other when they're cabled together, and to verify that they're both mine so they're satisfied I'm not cheating?

I'm also a bit curious as to whether the widescreen will have a way to DELETE files on the fly if someone wants to download content to an iPod that's already full up.

[toothpaste]

^^EITHER way he is not addressing you, surf monkey. I also don't understand the need for carry everything at all times. Makes no sense. He is permitted to voice his opinions, so if you don't like them don't read them.

[Mr. E.]

Well, muffinman wasn't speaking to me, either, but since they were critical of raz's comments, and raz seems to share my views, then I guess muffinman was criticizing me as well.

Since the iPhone was introduced there have been many people clamoring for a high-capacity device with the same features/interface. This is not that device. I understand that many people don't feel the need to carry around their entire libraries, but the fact that Apple even bothered to double the capacity of the iPod Classic says that even they know that many people do like to have all of their media at their fingertips. Saying that this device doesn't fit that need, but does fit other needs, is fine. Saying that someone else is wrong to want something you don't want... that strikes me as less fine.

I don't regularly go on 50 hour plane trips, but I do regularly go out of town for 50 hours or more, and I don't always know what I'll be in the mood to listen to/watch when I get where I'm going, and I don't take a laptop. I also take twice as many books as I'm likely to read. They weigh down my luggage, but I also get to change my mind about what the next book will be on the fly. I understand the frustration of wanting the features of the iPhone with the capacity of the iPod Classic. The iTouch is nice, but it doesn't quite get you there. It seems like it'll make some people very happy, and that's a good thing, but for me, it's frustrating for being just a stone's throw from two devices I'd like to have. I'd like to have the iPhone without the data plan, and I'd like to carry my whole library with me, not because I can't manage my library. I'm well aware that 90% of my iPod use comes from three or four playlists that could be synced to a smaller device. I just like to plan for that 10%. And there's nothing wrong with that.

The iTouch is cool. There's no doubt about it. But when I'm putting a few hundred dollars towards whats basically a pretty toy, I don't want to make too many compromises, and I think that's what bugs some of us about the iTouch: It gives you just enough of what you want to make you want it, but not quite enough to make you crazy about it.

[ZPWeeks]

Seems like most people are alarmed by the lack of a hard drive. I was at first - I placed a preorder for the 16GB Touch, but then started having second thoughts. I weighed the pros and cons of getting the new Classic. True, I could still carry my whole 53GB library with me, which has always been my approach.
But try this: sort your entire library by "last played" date. I consider myself a pretty heavy-duty listener, and I was floored to discover that in the last month, I have only listened to about 5GB of my collection. If I add everything I listened to this summer, it's about 12GB.
Obviously you can't fit a hard drive in a 0.3" thin device. Some people (myself included) would gladly take a thicker one, but I'm looking forward to trying it with a smaller on-the-go library with the majority of the stuff I actually listen to, and keeping some of the more obscure stuff at home.
I'm weirded out by it. I have always been anal about being able to carry my entire library with me and pick anything at any time. But I think that this will force me to learn more about what music I am buying and what I am actually listening to.

[tonyclifton]

Thats interesting, you see I am hung up on the capacity - yet I only have 5g of music and hardly listen to most of it...I also have yet to use video, but just assume I will need loads of space even though I cant think of why I would want it or use it :D

Some of your points make for interesting reading and self analysis but may also have practical consequences....if you only have 16 gbs of space to carry (although obviously you can store more elsewhere) will it make people analyse their own music habits and more importantly music buying habits. Could limiting the capacity of such a high demand product actually reduce people's music buying habits....will i like it? will i listen to it? will i like it enough to have it on my ipod ahead of other stuff?

the itouch is making it easier for us to buy music with the addition of wifi and the starbucks deal, but without the storage space for it and those 'impulse buys' they hope to get from us are they shooting themselves in the foot and hobbling their own product?


Seems like most people are alarmed by the lack of a hard drive. I was at first - I placed a preorder for the 16GB Touch, but then started having second thoughts. I weighed the pros and cons of getting the new Classic. True, I could still carry my whole 53GB library with me, which has always been my approach.
But try this: sort your entire library by "last played" date. I consider myself a pretty heavy-duty listener, and I was floored to discover that in the last month, I have only listened to about 5GB of my collection. If I add everything I listened to this summer, it's about 12GB.
Obviously you can't fit a hard drive in a 0.3" thin device. Some people (myself included) would gladly take a thicker one, but I'm looking forward to trying it with a smaller on-the-go library with the majority of the stuff I actually listen to, and keeping some of the more obscure stuff at home.
I'm weirded out by it. I have always been anal about being able to carry my entire library with me and pick anything at any time. But I think that this will force me to learn more about what music I am buying and what I am actually listening to.

[studogvetmed]

http://www.apple.com/quicktime/qtv/keynote/

I like how he mentions the wifi and then tries to build suspense as he leads into the fact that Safari is on the iPhone. Why would they even put wifi on there if there wasn't a browser as well? "Not only did we add wifi, but, and you're not going to believe this, we also added a way for you to actually use it."

Given that other media devices have had wifi, but not a more interesting way to use it the lead up, though cheesy, was warranted.

Take the Zune. How excited did everyone get about wi-fi on the Zune to only find out you could only use it to "share" between another Zune?

[chris_01]

not only am I disappointed in the iTouch, I think apple is shooting itself in the foot a bit.

The combination of Wifi and an Itunes store is going to create an opportunity for a lot of impulse purchases. I see a group of friends(most likely teenieboppers) sitting in a cafe talking about and hyping a new album or movie. The thought process will be: I need this, I can get it easily right now, click, buy. With the 16g capacity limitation it will be: I need this, I can get it easily right now, click, oh crap it won't fit.

I would gladly pay another $50-75 for an iTouch with 80gb. they could still sell plenty of 160gb Ipod Classics for audiophiles with huge libraries that don't want or need widescreen video.


note: I posted this in the future ipods forum a second ago before noticing the new itouch forum, I didn't read this whole thread yet, but more people will see it here.

[tellis100]

I was slightly bummed about the 16GB limit since my 5G 30GB is normally full. There's not a ipod to date that will carry my collection (200GB). I don't think I would want one that large anyway. I pre-ordered the 16GB touch and resizing my smart playlists won't take long. It'll take some getting used too.

The larger screen will make the Family Guy episodes look cooler. Doesn't everyone carry FG with them???

[tellis100]

Plus in a year the 32GB flash memory will be cheaper making a Touch 2 gen

[tellis100]

not what to do with all my ifrogz cases. I got 3 last Christmas

[axl]

I would get one the day it comes out if it was at least 60GB. I was looking to replace my 30GB 5gen with a newer model but I'm definitely not upgrading to a iPod thats half the size.

[muffinmanAZ]

People need to get over this insulting attitude. If the guy wants to carry around his whole library, there's nothing wrong with it. That usage is just as legitimate as anyone else's. I just find comments like yours snotty. Maybe the guy doesn't know exactly what he's going to want to watch or listen to. Maybe he just wants to have all his media with him all the time. Either way, he doesn't deserve the kind of vitriol you're throwing at him.

And you don't have an insulting attitude? I've seen some of your other posts and you seem to have some Captain Sassypants in yourself as well.

In case you didn't finish reading my post or reading his thoroughly, I was stating that by managing his library, he can get WHAT HE WANTS (a touch screen iPod). I'm a sarcastic person in general, but whether you'd like to believe or not (I don't care), I was trying to help him out.

As for the person who posted about the "50 hour road trips" - I think you'd run out of battery first. However, your opinion was well thought out and I do respect it. To each his/her own. I agree with you- compromises WILL have to be made for a chance to use a gorgeous 0.3" thick touch-screen flash-based iPod.



Kthx.

[pata2001]

Does the iPod Touch uses glass like the iPhone? If it's scratchy plastic, I don't think people will be happy.

[countach747]

Anyone think there's any hope of them putting a higher capacity touch for this Christmas season?

This Christmas season? No hope whatsoever. In fact I'm not sure yet they ever will. Maybe late next year they will put 32GB of flash in and never put a disk in, who knows?

[countach747]

But try this: sort your entire library by "last played" date. I consider myself a pretty heavy-duty listener, and I was floored to discover that in the last month, I have only listened to about 5GB of my collection.

Sure, but here is the genius of the super large hard drive: You don't have to think before hand what you want to look at or listen to. Just plonk all your podcasts, all your music and most of your movies on there, end of thought process.

Now you can easily fit enough stuff for a month in 16GB, but you have to think a lot more. You can't carry all the episodes of all the podcasts you care about. You have to limit it to more recent ones, or less podcasts. You can't take even all the music you like, let alone your whole collection. You have to pick what you think you want to listen to. You can't plonk a whole range of video material on there, you have to be much more selective.

All this is only partially mitigated by clever use of playlists. They can't solve everything. They can't solve the podcast problem for example.

So yes, no problem you can survive in 16GB, or even 8GB. But it will take more work and thought on your part on your computer.

[porieux]

But try this: sort your entire library by "last played" date. I consider myself a pretty heavy-duty listener, and I was floored to discover that in the last month, I have only listened to about 5GB of my collection. If I add everything I listened to this summer, it's about 12GB.
.

Yeah but did you select that 5GB in advance or just play whatever you felt like at any given time out of a much larger library? Some people want to decide what they are going to listen to when they are going to listen to it, not in advance.

[yinyang]

Sure, but here is the genius of the super large hard drive: You don't have to think before hand what you want to look at or listen to. Just plonk all your podcasts, all your music and most of your movies on there, end of thought process.

Now you can easily fit enough stuff for a month in 16GB, but you have to think a lot more. You can't carry all the episodes of all the podcasts you care about. You have to limit it to more recent ones, or less podcasts. You can't take even all the music you like, let alone your whole collection. You have to pick what you think you want to listen to. You can't plonk a whole range of video material on there, you have to be much more selective.

All this is only partially mitigated by clever use of playlists. They can't solve everything. They can't solve the podcast problem for example.

So yes, no problem you can survive in 16GB, or even 8GB. But it will take more work and thought on your part on your computer.

but with good use of ratings and smart playlists you should be able to get a lot of what you may need for a week's worth of watching/listening.

anyway i'm looking forward to trying to see if you can use the iTouch safari to call up iTunes from my Powerbook and listen to my entire library that way ;)

three more weeks to wait...! :eek:

[jhollington]

Actually, sometimes the benefit of a smaller device with a good set of smart playlists is that it forces you to consider music you might not have otherwise listened to.

If I build smart playlists to help me explore my library and then load them onto my Nano, I'm much more inclined to listen to what's there, rather than trying to find something specific to listen to.

On the other hand, there are also a lot of people who really just listen to the same music over and over and over again (this would be why my wife is more than happy with her 8GB nano, for instance ;) ).

[skateboarderx24]

my parents have promised me the 16gig for xmas... I already have a 30 gig gen5.5 which is only 2/3 full.. so I think I should be fine with 16 gigs.. glad I didnt buy the iPhone... this is what I want...

[Gunner]

Well, muffinman wasn't speaking to me, either, but since they were critical of raz's comments, and raz seems to share my views, then I guess muffinman was criticizing me as well.

Since the iPhone was introduced there have been many people clamoring for a high-capacity device with the same features/interface. This is not that device. I understand that many people don't feel the need to carry around their entire libraries, but the fact that Apple even bothered to double the capacity of the iPod Classic says that even they know that many people do like to have all of their media at their fingertips. Saying that this device doesn't fit that need, but does fit other needs, is fine. Saying that someone else is wrong to want something you don't want... that strikes me as less fine.

I don't regularly go on 50 hour plane trips, but I do regularly go out of town for 50 hours or more, and I don't always know what I'll be in the mood to listen to/watch when I get where I'm going, and I don't take a laptop. I also take twice as many books as I'm likely to read. They weigh down my luggage, but I also get to change my mind about what the next book will be on the fly. I understand the frustration of wanting the features of the iPhone with the capacity of the iPod Classic. The iTouch is nice, but it doesn't quite get you there. It seems like it'll make some people very happy, and that's a good thing, but for me, it's frustrating for being just a stone's throw from two devices I'd like to have. I'd like to have the iPhone without the data plan, and I'd like to carry my whole library with me, not because I can't manage my library. I'm well aware that 90% of my iPod use comes from three or four playlists that could be synced to a smaller device. I just like to plan for that 10%. And there's nothing wrong with that.

The iTouch is cool. There's no doubt about it. But when I'm putting a few hundred dollars towards whats basically a pretty toy, I don't want to make too many compromises, and I think that's what bugs some of us about the iTouch: It gives you just enough of what you want to make you want it, but not quite enough to make you crazy about it.


Just for refernce purposes, all of my music is LAME encoded with the highest quality VBR settings.

My 'main' playlist is 1746 tracks, which works out to about 5 days of non stop listening without a repeat (about 120 hours worth). And it's under 12GB.

And yes, I realize some people want/must-have their entire library with them at all times. That's fine too. The touch is just not the device for them at this time.

[pik.]

Does the iPod Touch uses glass like the iPhone? If it's scratchy plastic, I don't think people will be happy.

I m interested also to know that...:p

[owen-b]

Just get an Invisible Shield for it and it won't matter if it's glass or scratchy plastic - it won't matter about the shiny metal back either! All of it will look as awesome as the day you bought it, even months of abuse later! :D

[Hurst]

I apologize if this has been addressed, but is there any news on sound quality output on this device? On my last ipod, a 5G 30gb vid, I used the powerport aux output for sound as I found it to be far better than the 3.5mm out.

On the video that was posted, I didn't see an aux port or power dock...how is this achieved?

[primeredSBCnova]

i think im gonna hold off a few weeks to see how it all pans out. if i can get web, email, and im i may just buy one. im on a college campus where i should have wireless all over campus, maybe not exactly seamless as i go from router to router, but maybe. im still plenty happy with my black and white click wheel 20gig...

[toii]

Just wondering that is it possible with the iPod touch to listen music and at the same time for example surf the internet?

-toii

[Surf Monkey]

Just wondering that is it possible with the iPod touch to listen music and at the same time for example surf the internet?

-toii


You can sort of do that on iPhone so you should be able to on Touch as well. I say sort of because the iPhone software is still buggy. If you browse while listening to music, you run the risk of crashing either Safari or the iPod software. Apple has made it more reliable with the two updates that have come out so far but it's still a problem.

[pik.]

I was wondering what does it mean the little icon on the right at the bottom....

is it the erase option for the pics?is it usable also for video and podcasts
http://www.apple.com/ipodtouch/gallery/index5.html

[amd700]

I think maybe most of you guys are missing the point. They aren't creating these new iPods solely for former owners to trade up. This is simply the latest and greatest way to attract new customers who may not have the huge music library that some audiophiles do. Like me for instance - I have 20G 5th generation and I'm having the worst time filling it...this new iPod is perfect for me. And honestly, is anyone just as flipping annoyed with the clickwheel? It's entirely too cumbersome. Having a touch screen will rock with some of the iTunes games too.

Uhh...if im not mistaken, i don't think that the iPod Touch's will be able to play games:o Also, i don't think the new iPod Classics will have tv output...this is just what i heard. But, i totally agree w/what you're saying ;)

[amd700]

When it comes down to it, and this is just my personal opinion, the iPod Touch is kind of a luxury. Someone stated before that it's not meant to be an upgrade. While some people need to have every single bit of their collection w/them, others just need the basics. I would feel better knowing that i could listen to anything i want, whenever, but it's really not necessary. At $400 for 16gigs, yeah, this is a luxury. I would use it, like some one mentioned before, for my main music & use my 60gig for a portable harddrive for my photos. honestly, if you're going to wait for a 2nd gen iPod touch w/a bigger flash drive, don't hold your breath. That will happen, then everybody will complain about the price. Bottom line, everybody wants this sexy little ipod, finally w/wi-fi & touchscreen (should've come out before the iPhone), but its just not for everyone. If you can do "playlist maintenance", and you don't mind dropping the $$$, then you're set...but, if you need all you're music/movies/tv shows, then just get the bigger iPod classic...Yeah, I need the sexy iPod!!!

[Gunner]

Uhh...if im not mistaken, i don't think that the iPod Touch's will be able to play games:o Also, i don't think the new iPod Classics will have tv output...this is just what i heard. But, i totally agree w/what you're saying ;)

No, the Classics do have TV output but you have to have an output device with Apple's authentication hardware inside of it.

[Surf Monkey]

if you're going to wait for a 2nd gen iPod touch w/a bigger flash drive, don't hold your breath. That will happen, then everybody will complain about the price.


I agree with you that it's the luxury iPod, but I disagree with the statement above. Looking at the history of the iPod line, the price always either stays the same or comes down from generation to generation. The next iPod touch generation will have more NAND flash memory at either the same price as today's unit or a slightly lower price if history is any guide. The bigger problem is that by the time 32 gig iPod Touch devices come along, micro HDDs will be up over 200 gig. I have a hard time seeing a future where NAND flash matches the price for HDD storage on a gig for gig basis. That's why I'm puzzled by Apple's evident move to NAND flash. Seems to me that they'll always be playing catch up.

[Gunner]

I agree with you that it's the luxury iPod, but I disagree with the statement above. Looking at the history of the iPod line, the price always either stays the same or comes down from generation to generation. The next iPod touch generation will have more NAND flash memory at either the same price as today's unit or a slightly lower price if history is any guide. The bigger problem is that by the time 32 gig iPod Touch devices come along, micro HDDs will be up over 200 gig. I have a hard time seeing a future where NAND flash matches the price for HDD storage on a gig for gig basis. That's why I'm puzzled by Apple's evident move to NAND flash. Seems to me that they'll always be playing catch up.

Well, you have to give Apple the benefit of the doubt. A company like Apple does tons of market research, focus groups, etc.

They also look at buying trends of their customers.

They might have seen the sales of their Nano product far outpacing hard drive based iPods due to the advantages those units offer (shock proof, smaller, lighter, etc) and determined it was time to split the market for their higher end DAPs.

At the end of the day it doesn't matter if it takes NAND flash two years or five years to get down to hard drive prices per gigabyte. It's going to happen, it's just a matter of time. As one of the worlds largest flash memory consumers Apple knows more about this than any of us.

[amd700]

No, the Classics do have TV output but you have to have an output device with Apple's authentication hardware inside of it.
:rolleyes: ooops...i just meant that it wont be as simple as choosing "TV Out" through the menu. I would miss that especially since i play my iPod videos on my car audio monitor. Thanks...:p

[amd700]

I agree with you that it's the luxury iPod, but I disagree with the statement above. Looking at the history of the iPod line, the price always either stays the same or comes down from generation to generation. The next iPod touch generation will have more NAND flash memory at either the same price as today's unit or a slightly lower price if history is any guide. The bigger problem is that by the time 32 gig iPod Touch devices come along, micro HDDs will be up over 200 gig. I have a hard time seeing a future where NAND flash matches the price for HDD storage on a gig for gig basis. That's why I'm puzzled by Apple's evident move to NAND flash. Seems to me that they'll always be playing catch up.
Again, i stand corrected w/my half a$$ info :o I just meant that don't hold your breathe because it could be a while till a 2nd gen iPod Touch w/satisfactory memory would come out. Personally, i couldn't wait any longer for an iPod w/touch screen & wi-fi.

[GDMeyer]

Couldn't I access my four 500 GB hard drives of music, HD movies, TV shows and photos on my home computer using something as simple as FTP from an iPod touch using "Safari" through Wi-Fi?

Don't the "Safari" and "YouTube" icons appear to contain a virtually unlimited amount of remote file sharing on an iPod touch?

Would I really need a lot of disk space on an iPod touch?

[superleeds]

I'm used to carrying around my whole collection as I've always had the "upper end" of the iPod HD sizes.

I have around 24GB of music and 40 GB of movies/tv shows, there's no need to carry everything around with me as I always charge the iPod up from the computer so it would be easy to mess with a few playlists to get them to update when I charge.

Here's the thing that I'm unsure about though we won't get 16GB, it will no doubt format down like any drive, anyone got any ideas of how much we will lose?

Also the hardware is the same as the iPhone so the Apps should port across, how big are these currently/estimated to be? Becasue I don't want to get 6-10 months down the line and realise that I only have 10GB of space due to new apps and updates filling the hard drive, squeezing out space for my content.

Just to 100% clarify any online games website such as mousebreaker will NOT work with the iPod touch, due to them being flash?

[VipFREAK]

I'm sooooooo in for the iPod PDA... erm...sorry touch! I remember when the iPhone came out and I was like wow... At&t only? That's a shame. I knew an "ipod" version was coming and now we get the PDA erm... sorry, I mean touch. Having an iphone without the ####ty dead iphone and ####ty at&t service? Wow, awesome.

My only concern is if I can add events to the calendar and what ipod accessories won't work with it. I also heard the dock connector is recessed in so it might be a problem with existing ipod accessories. That would be ####ing lame if they didn't work and didn't fit. I also have to decide which ipod I'm gonna get rid of, my 30gb video or my 2gb nano. We'll see I guess.

[Gunner]

I'm used to carrying around my whole collection as I've always had the "upper end" of the iPod HD sizes.

I have around 24GB of music and 40 GB of movies/tv shows, there's no need to carry everything around with me as I always charge the iPod up from the computer so it would be easy to mess with a few playlists to get them to update when I charge.

Here's the thing that I'm unsure about though we won't get 16GB, it will no doubt format down like any drive, anyone got any ideas of how much we will lose?

Also the hardware is the same as the iPhone so the Apps should port across, how big are these currently/estimated to be? Becasue I don't want to get 6-10 months down the line and realise that I only have 10GB of space due to new apps and updates filling the hard drive, squeezing out space for my content.

Just to 100% clarify any online games website such as mousebreaker will NOT work with the iPod touch, due to them being flash?

online game websites working seems like wishful thinking. Flash and some Java stuff doesn't work on the iphone browser, not to mention that you don't exactly have a good input device (touch screen).

Over time I would expect touch/iphone sites to pop up that have stuff specifically designed for these new devices.

According to a screen shot in the new Touch manual posted online at Apple the Touch formats down to 14.64GB.

[pik.]

can i put a pdf viewer on the Touch?????:confused:

[Gunner]

Actually I think .pdf files work with Safari (built in support).

[pik.]

only on line?

[superleeds]

online game websites working seems like wishful thinking. Flash and some Java stuff doesn't work on the iphone browser, not to mention that you don't exactly have a good input device (touch screen).

Over time I would expect touch/iphone sites to pop up that have stuff specifically designed for these new devices.

According to a screen shot in the new Touch manual posted online at Apple the Touch formats down to 14.64GB.

Thank you for answering my questions :)

Ouch 14.64 is quite a formatting down, I presume that includes the iPod Touch OS?!

So a rough estimate would be that if/when games or apps come out they could range from 15mb to around 150 mb (This is an estimate I have made not from any sources other than the ipod games available on itunes range from 15mb to 50mb), that basically means have a few apps and you'll be left with around 12-13 GB for content, I'm not sure now weather to get one as capacity is going down and down.

[porieux]

Actually, sometimes the benefit of a smaller device with a good set of smart playlists is that it forces you to consider music you might not have otherwise listened to.

If I build smart playlists to help me explore my library and then load them onto my Nano, I'm much more inclined to listen to what's there, rather than trying to find something specific to listen to.

On the other hand, there are also a lot of people who really just listen to the same music over and over and over again (this would be why my wife is more than happy with her 8GB nano, for instance ;) ).


Actually I find that with smart playlists, I can better leverage a large library and therefore fully take advantage of having as much music as possible available. In addition to the obvious advantage of having something specific available that you may decide you want to listen to.

So yes, smart playlists help make good use of a smaller amount of storage, but they also do the same for large libraries as well, which is even better.

[superleeds]

Actually I find that with smart playlists, I can better leverage a large library and therefore fully take advantage of having as much music as possible available. In addition to the obvious advantage of having something specific available that you may decide you want to listen to.

So yes, smart playlists help make good use of a smaller amount of storage, but they also do the same for large libraries as well, which is even better.

True, at first when smart playlists were introduced I just made each new album I got a smart playlist, where as now I make them based on rating, genre, mood etc so I'm not lumbered with having to keep changing playlists all the time.

I really do think the lowering of capacity will force me into listening and watching parts of my itunes library that I havent for a while. Which can only be a good thing.

Smart playlists management is essential for all collections above 4/5 GB, yes a 80GB/160GB HDcan store lots of content but if its not organised its hard to find things.

Any news of anywhere in the UK having Touch's in?

[porieux]

One thing I would really like to be able to do on the iPod is refresh a playlist.
If you have a smart playlist that is drawing from a large library and it is limited in order to be randomized, sometimes you would like to clear all the items and have it repopulate. But there is no good way to do this on the iPod.

[cooper90]

Hey guys, I'm new here. I don't really like the new ipod touchscreen. Doesn't it just get fingerprints on it? I wasn't a fan of the iPhone either.

[dmiZe]

Hey guys, I'm new here. I don't really like the new ipod touchscreen. Doesn't it just get fingerprints on it? I wasn't a fan of the iPhone either.

Lol, yeah it gets fingerprints on it, but they're easily wiped off.

[Complexis]

It's glass, not plastic, so much easier to wipe.

About PDF, refer to this thread:
http://forums.ilounge.com/showthread.php?t=205343

[zhimple]

this ipod is great:) like the noticeably brighter display.

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[citoek]

any info on 3rd party apps on touch? if already posted sorry

[Complexis]

Shame on you citoek:

http://forums.ilounge.com/showthread.php?t=205908

[ShadyCharacter]

I've tried searching the forum for the answer, but with no luck. I have the 16gb touch and am very happy. One problem I have is that after entering my 22 character network key the first time for my home wi-fi I figured I was basically set. Unfortunately, I'm periodically asked to re-enter the damn thing. It's no fun to enter 22 random characters on the touchscreen.

Someone please point out the obvious feature I need to enable to get my iTouch to REMEMBER my network key! I'm about ready to throw in the towel. Do I just have a wonky unit or have other people run into this problem?

[rwjrn]

I was looking for something with a little better video quality than my 80G iPod. I took it on a plane and attempted to watch a movie, but it gets a little tough holding that tiny screen up near my 40 something eyes for an hour and a half. I saw the widescreen video on the touch and thought it would be great. I have heard that there are problems with the quality of the video though and saw some pics where the blacks tended to look like film negatives. I went to the Apple store in Emeryville today and checked out the touch in the store. When I asked the salesman about the video issue he assured me that it wasn't the case. I checked out the one in the store and the picture was awesome, so I bought the
16G. I first played with the internet on it and it's pretty cool and easy to use. I then downloaded a movie and immediately noticed the problem with black. If people are wearing black clothes and it's a bit of a dark scene the picture is so bad it is unbearable. I turned the brightness up and that didn't do a thing. I guess I'll be making the hour drive to Emeryville tomorrow so I can return this $400 piece of junk.

[Surf Monkey]

Return or exchange? The bad screens are an isolated situation. You should be able to get a good one if you try.

[toii]

Is it possible that Apple has "coded" the iPod touch so that you can only put songs to it that have been bought on iTunes music store?

[jhollington]

No, the iPod touch will take any music that any other model of iPod will take, in either MP3 or AAC format.

[mookien]

They finally give us a Widescrren Ipod for mainly video use and hobble it with 16gb. Dumb. Obviously its a cost saving move to use the already existing Iphone form factor. But it's not a goo consumer move.
Remember - it's all part of the product life cycle!! 16gb will become 30 or 40 in a year or so. But, can I wait that long?!

I have a 30gb iPod video - I never keep lots of video on it. I archive all converted movies and such on my external hard drive - so simple to swap old for new.

[yacoub]

I've tried searching the forum for the answer, but with no luck. I have the 16gb touch and am very happy. One problem I have is that after entering my 22 character network key the first time for my home wi-fi I figured I was basically set. Unfortunately, I'm periodically asked to re-enter the damn thing. It's no fun to enter 22 random characters on the touchscreen.

Someone please point out the obvious feature I need to enable to get my iTouch to REMEMBER my network key! I'm about ready to throw in the towel. Do I just have a wonky unit or have other people run into this problem?

Anyone else experiencing this?

[Gunner]

Anyone else experiencing this?

Nope. Mine's part of several different encrypted networks and never asks me to renter the key.

Maybe the router has some additional security parameters that are making the touch sad.

[Descartes]

16GB - are you kidding me? Are you freakin' kidding me??

I was waiting and waiting for a widescreen iPod forever. I finally broke down and bought an 80GB a few months ago. I love it and I'm glad I did, because I SURE ain't buying an iPod with less than 40GB - preferably 60GB. A lot of the appeal of an iPod to me was the ability to carry my whole music collection with me. Now that there are movies and t.v. shows it's ridiculous to me to think of a 16GB iPod.

Anyone think there's any hope of them putting a higher capacity touch for this Christmas season?


Exactly the same. I saved up forever and bought an 80GB around three months ago. In that time, I filled up the whole iPod. I was thinking that I might get the touch just cause its THAT cool, but then I said that I would wait for the next generation of widescreen iPods because I couldn't stand anything less than 50GB because I want to carry most of my library with me. Maybe in a year, if the new touch isn't as big as I want it to be, I'll get a 160GB classic.

[AZYUMA86]

Hey guys, can someone tell me how much space the iPod touch (8GB) model actually has available to use? Thanks!

[Quillz]

I believe after formatting, you have about 7.24 GB of usable space.

[Netty4mac]

Just wondering....If Apple eventually adds a mail app to the Touch, will that be like a firmware update or will it be a whole new iPod Touch update. Basically I don't want to be lucked out if I buy a Touch now and then later the mail app is added.


Thanks!

[Descartes]

I just heard that Apple has aknowledged the problem with the screen and are investigating it. The ones are affected are ones that series numbers start with 9C736 and 9C737.

[Freud]

I have a perfect week 37. The video quality is far far far superior to my 60gig 5th gen. Much sharper, better contrast and saturation. If you get a good screen, you will be blown away by a side by side with a 5th Gen.

[new0rder]

my serial start with 9C737, I got it 2 days ago. I didn't pay attention to the problem until I read up all the blogs and forum about it, so the dark scene in movies and picture with flash and dark background does look terrible. maybe its all in my head.

[Aceon6]

Mods... is there any chance of a re-review? Seems the Week 38s might fare a tad better in the analysis.

[new0rder]

my serial start with 9C737, I got it 2 days ago. I didn't pay attention to the problem until I read up all the blogs and forum about it, so the dark scene in movies and picture with flash and dark background does look terrible. maybe its all in my head.

I finally went to an apple store and exchange my week 37 16gb, and they give me a week 38 with Macy Gray box,

serial 1B738XXXX

[new0rder]

here goes , my serial 9c737XXXX 37 week
same picture look really bad on the touch. also I watch prison break on it, the dark scene is very bad.

I got mine from vanns, called them up, they will do a refund for me if I mail it back within 15 days, but I have to paid for the shipping. and they don't have more 16gb in stock. I just have to wait for the next batch.:mad:


anyway I exchange a new 38week one at apple store. I took some comparison shots, Still I just don't think the touch screen beats PSP's

The screen on the Touch look wash-out from all angle. :(

week 38 vs PSP
http://i20.tinypic.com/2myw9hy.jpg
http://i20.tinypic.com/1z88xu.jpg
half bright on touch
http://i21.tinypic.com/2rwqa2b.jpg
full bright on touch.
http://i20.tinypic.com/2u53qqv.jpg

my returned week 37
http://i18.tinypic.com/4vsnolg.jpg
http://i7.tinypic.com/4or4suc.jpg
http://i16.tinypic.com/52gf9t3.jpg

[Netty4mac]

I can't find an iPod Touch anywhere in stock! :(

[AZYUMA86]

Quick question: I know that the touch, like most other iPods, comes with protective plastic, that you peel off after you open it, over the front and back of the unit. I had planned on picking up a touch once the cases started rolling out, however, I don't know if I can continue to be patient. :) So I'm wondering, is it possible to remove the protective plastic from the front, so you can control the unit, but keep it on the back to protect from scratches? In some of the videos I have seen the person takes the back layer off first and then the layer protecting the screen. Does it have to be done that way? Or is that just the way they do it? I just want to protect the back until I can get a case.

[Freud]

The screen on that week 38 Touch sucks. My week 37 shows the Jay Z screen looking more like the PSP than that washed out mess.

[Netty4mac]

finally got my Touch at MacMall yesterday! Week 38 and no issues.

[Aceon6]

Quick question: I know that the touch, like most other iPods, comes with protective plastic, that you peel off after you open it, over the front and back of the unit. I had planned on picking up a touch once the cases started rolling out, however, I don't know if I can continue to be patient. :) So I'm wondering, is it possible to remove the protective plastic from the front, so you can control the unit, but keep it on the back to protect from scratches? In some of the videos I have seen the person takes the back layer off first and then the layer protecting the screen. Does it have to be done that way? Or is that just the way they do it? I just want to protect the back until I can get a case.

Yes, that's exactly what I've done. The cases should be coming out this week. The Belkin clear one looks nice.

[BrendanPatrick]

Touch or Classic?

Every situation is as unique as a fingerprint and I’ve been mulling mine over for nearly a month now.

In the iPod environment I’m primarily a music listener. I currently have 95GB of storage; that’s about 23,000 songs and 2,000 or so albums with full artwork.

I listen to a great deal of music at work and to my entire collection at home on my computer or through my home entertainment system.

So, like so many are asking, do I buy something portable that’ll store my entire music collection plus indefinable growth or just rotate my music collection for on-the-go listening?

And after much deliberation I’ve decided to turn this liability with the iPod Touch (10 percent of the storage capabilities) into an asset by using it as an excuse to get more acquainted with the totality of my music library.

So for a certain period of time (probably the entire life of the iPod Touch if I’m lucky) I’ll select the 100-300 albums I’ll plan on listening to more intently over the coming months, then rotate on an as-needed basis.

It’s certainly more work than just letting the computer synch everything automatically (like I would with a 160GB Classic), but for now it keeps me in better touch with everything I own.

And, finally, based on Moore’s Law (doubling capacity approximately every 2 years) the following table shows the expected growth in technology, given that this Flash RAM must evolve to be fairly compatible in both size and price with the current 16GB model.

1-2 Years = 32GB (8,000 songs) *32GB is already here, just not cheap enough yet.
3-4 Years = 64GB (16,000 songs) *64GB just announced, but who'll pay $1,500 or more for an iPod?
5-6 Years = 128GB (32,000 songs)
7-8 Years = 256GB (64,000 songs)

Handheld hard drives will be around 2 terabytes (trillion bytes) within 8 years. By 2009 they’ll already have 1.8” drives that’ll store 240GB in an iPod. Wow!

So at the same price point and form factor, in about 5 to 6 years I should be able to walk around with my entire music collection and the entire Internet in the smallest of pockets (8 millimeters thick). And by that time I’ll probably also be able to make phone calls without long-term commitments to AT&T.

Besides, in turning this negative into a positive, I’ll avoid ever having to deal with another spinning hard drive in a portable device.

Seems like a fair tradeoff for doing a little extra thinking and extra work every few months (something I used to do every morning in picking out the CDs that I’d be bringing to work.)

Besides, it’s not my first compromise. When I went to an all-digital collection I gave up the tactile feel of a CD/LP and the sometimes excellent liner notes.

I’m not thrilled with this compromise, but the advantages of an all-digital collection far outweigh any drawbacks.

And, besides, I can always read about the music online.

**

[tomjennings83]

Who in this forum ownes one of these? I was wondering if its worth more money for the touch screen does it make more sense to buy a classic ipod?

[Surf Monkey]

Who in this forum ownes one of these? I was wondering if its worth more money for the touch screen does it make more sense to buy a classic ipod?

How much media do you plan on putting on it? What do you plan on doing with the iPod? These questions are critical to figuring out which one you need since the two devices are really dialed for different usage patterns.

[Freud]

Who in this forum ownes one of these? I was wondering if its worth more money for the touch screen does it make more sense to buy a classic ipod?


Come on. Start reading and do your own research. How in the world can anyone tell you if it is worth it? Read the other forums and come to your own decision.

[jhollington]

Hi and welcome to iLounge, tomjennings83

Although something of an oversimplification, the real question to ask yourself when deciding between the iPod touch or iPod classic (or even nano), is how much you'll be listening to music versus watching video or surfing the 'net at WiFi access points.

Despite the limited capacity, the touch (and by extension the iPhone) is a nice device if you're primarily going to be watching video, and aren't traveling away from your computer for extended periods of time (due to the limited capacity). Obviously, the WiFi and browser features are nice as well if they're something you'll use.

If you're primarily interested in listening to audio, however, the traditional iPod is still a better choice for a lot of reasons, not the least of which is the increased potential capacity, but also the better navigation controls (you have the clickwheel and therefore have buttons for things like play/pause/prev/next and easy volume control), and of course you don't need a big touch screen if the device is going to sit in your pocket most of the time anyway.

[Hiro Nakamura]

I have a 16gb touch and think it is fantastic - Capacity is not an issue for me as I do not feel the need to carry my entire music collection in my pocket. I currently have half of Lost season 3 (about fourteen 45 minute episodes), 2000 songs and 500 photos on my touch and it is still not full - that is enough to keep me going for weeks and when I need a change I will just update from iTunes - no bid deal. The screen for video is amazing, I've read reviews about negative blacks, screen being too dark etc... but the screen on mine for video play back is great and no issue with angles and the screen is indistructable - it is scratch proof.

That said I might buy a 160 classic when the prices start to fall next year, but not to use as an ipod on the go but simply docked to my Bose speaker and as an extrernal hard drive and back up to my PC.

I thoroughly recomend the ipod touch - I'm a gadget freak and this is the best gadget I have ever owned.

[Hiro Nakamura]

Hi and welcome to iLounge, tomjennings83

Although something of an oversimplification, the real question to ask yourself when deciding between the iPod touch or iPod classic (or even nano), is how much you'll be listening to music versus watching video or surfing the 'net at WiFi access points.

Despite the limited capacity, the touch (and by extension the iPhone) is a nice device if you're primarily going to be watching video, and aren't traveling away from your computer for extended periods of time (due to the limited capacity). Obviously, the WiFi and browser features are nice as well if they're something you'll use.

If you're primarily interested in listening to audio, however, the traditional iPod is still a better choice for a lot of reasons, not the least of which is the increased potential capacity, but also the better navigation controls (you have the clickwheel and therefore have buttons for things like play/pause/prev/next and easy volume control), and of course you don't need a big touch screen if the device is going to sit in your pocket most of the time anyway.

The controls on the touch are just as easy as the click wheel, in fact I find them easier as the wheel on my old pod drove me nuts as it was over sensitive and I frequently hit the wrong album or it would over scroll.

[j0hnvuu]

I can't find an iPod Touch anywhere in stock! :(

i work at target and last i checked, we still got a couple 16g instock

[Netty4mac]

i work at target and last i checked, we still got a couple 16g instock

Thanks, I ended up getting it at my local MacMall.

[BREVITY]

I put Pod Casts in my Playlist because I dont download them through Itunes I just drop them in after I dl them. Anyway I noted that today it would not remember where I left off. This is so unlike I classic Ipod. I have never had my Ipod not bookmark where I was in a podcast. I want to note I turned it off between uses. But that didnt bother it as far as remembering where I was in my movie I was watching.

[dpid]

I finally settled on my decision after 2 weeks of grueling dilemmas.

So I have a current 5g iPod Video 30gb and a 1gb nano. While my 30gb is full of music leaving very little room for my videos... I never use it! I use my nano with insufficient memory every day!

But when the touch was announced, I wanted one. I would sell my iPod video. Well, I waited and sure enough, people having problems didn't help seal the deal.

Then, I found that I could get a new 80gb iPod Classic for $200+tax. I bought it but didn't open it. The last few days I have been mulling over what to do... 80gb would fill all my music and videos.... but I have a feeling I won't use it often. I want the touch, but can't justify getting 8gb for $300 knowing that it will only hold videos (which is a toss up if they play without the negative black issue). I'm going to return the iPod classic.

So what to do? Nothing. I want the touch, but I'll wait for the 2G when the 16gb will be $300 or even $250. I'm keeping my nano for everyday use and my 5G as my travel piece (it will have to do with the measly 3 hour playback time).

hopefully I'll join all the Touch users soon (with the whole apple iphone fiasco, maybe apple will announce a better deal in 2 months)

[kornchild2002]

The iPod classic has many more problems than the iPod touch so I don't see that as a justification for the purchase of a iPod classic. I think that price is the biggest complaint from people in that they are spending $300 for 8GB and $400 for 16GB, that comes out to $37.5/GB and $25/GB. The 160GB iPod classic has a price ratio of $2.19/GB. Then again, you must account that the iPod touch uses flash memory while the iPod classic uses hard drives.

Also the iPod touch's screen is very expensive, that is why a 8GB iPod touch goes for $300 while a 8GB iPod nano goes for $200, that screen is huge and has a lot of technology going into it.

I don't see Apple announcing any price deal in the next couple of months as they never do that with iPods. The iPhone is a completely different market and must compete with other cellphones. The iPod pretty much owns the portable player market so they really only have to compete with themselves. I know it is a lot of money right now but the iPod touch is always going to be expensive as long as it uses flash memory and has a large multi-touch screen. The iPod touch is always going to use flash memory so that will keep prices high and we may not even see a higher capacity model next year. It all depends on if the iPod touch is really successful (I believe it will be) and if the market needs more than 16GB.

We will see come January as I believe the iPod touch will follow the same path of the iPhone. I don't see Apple releasing new hardware models per-say like the iPod classic line. I see them introducing higher capacity units with longer battery lives but every iPod classic is going to run the same software for at least a couple of year. That way, people don't have to but a new iPod every year just to get the new firmware.

[bigman606]

Think I may bite on an 8GB Touch. Not really wanting an iPhone (still a Crackberry fan) just yet. Will use it mainly for the commute on the train to work.

[Commodus]

I've got a 16GB model, and it's good enough that it made me trade my 5th-gen 30GB for one. It's not so much the features as the interface. It's wonderful to finally have an iPod that remembers where you were with nearly everything. You can pause a song, hop to video, pause that, go back to music, and pick up where you left off knowing you can do the same for your video. Safari is much the same way.

That, and it's fun to wardrive with your iPod and see if you can find an unprotected network in the neighbourhood with a signal strong enough to be usable. There's only one in my area, so far. ;)

[taxloss]

I'm in limbo. I get to the putty bit, type root and enter, type alpine then enter. Then I put in /Applications/Installer.app/Installer and press enter. Comes up Installer not found. Try to go back to touchfree.exe and now it hangs at patching image. try to reinstall my ipod and get error message -48. My ipod works but have 300mb of memory. How do I get past the next step? I'm stuck in the middle. Can anyone help?

[HeIsLegend]

Is there an easier way to turn off the touch other than that button on the top? Also, is the touch able to play the games that were available for the video ipod?

[jhollington]

No, the button on the top is pretty much the only way to manually turn it off, although it will naturally time out after whatever interval you have specified in your settings.

There are presently no installable games available for the iPod touch (or iPhone). In fact, even the new iPod classic is not compatible with the fifth-generation iPod games - you have to repurchase them for the iPod classic.

There are some web-based games available, but of course these require WiFi access.

taxloss: I'm not sure about your specific problem, but you may want to try posting a question in our "Hacks and Mods" forum.

[radtech]

i have had the 80 GB classic or 16 GB touch balancing act for awhile and then i ended up gettiing my 80GB classic 10-6-07 and unfortunately have vista and b/c of that itunes issues that aren't too bad and now (after an unneeded system restore) the firmware issue has me mad cause i can't find the folder to replace the old firmware with to rollback to 1.0.1 but the brightside is i still have 2 weeks to return it to best buy; but i bought a 35.00 iskin 5G 30GB claro case that may go to waste if i would get the touch instead since i don't find myself using the classic for music much, i really find myself using it just for video but for value i went with the classic.

i'm so confused now and any info/advice will be greatly apprciated

thanks in advance for any replies

[xmaxonx]

I just ordered my iPod Touch last night and I can't wait to receive it! It will be coming USPS Priority Mail so hopefully Saturday, and if not then early next week. Does anything know if you can use a fire wire cable, and the AC Adapter for the iPod Touch?

[camille]

^you can charge the iPod touch via Firewire and AC Adaptor, but you cannot transfer data via Firewire

[toothpaste]

I'm looking for real world results on the battery life of the touch. What do users average in battery life between charges?????

[kylo4]

I'm seriously considering buying a 16GB iPod Touch. I have given it such a verbal lashing in posts but when I went to Best Buy and used it I loved it. No Apple hype, no marketing, I just genuinely really liked the product. I just want to know how I can use the free internet on it.

[studogvetmed]

the wifi would allow you to connect to any open wireless network, or to closed ones if you might know/have the username password. So the wifi built in to the touch only does you any good if you go to places with open wifi, or to places you have allowed access to different closed networks.

[Coryds]

i am tryin to figure out how to have my songs in my ipod under playlist to be in alphabaec order... does someone know how to do that... i have them ever ordered like so: ex. coheed- lights and glass, coheed- red blood summer, coheed- ten speed etc... ????

[studogvetmed]

You sort them in Alphabetical order in iTunes and then sync the playlist to the iPod.

[BRAIN DEAD]

THE TOUCH IS TO SMALL BUT IVE SURCHED THE WEB ALL I CAN FIND IS IT COULD BE COMING OUT XMAS TO SEPTEMBER 2008 IF YOU NO A SOONER DATE PLEASE TELL ME BECAUSE IM WAITING FOR THE TOUCH TO BE IN A 32GB BECAUSE IVE ALL READY FILLED MY IPOD VIDEO 30GB WITH MOVES AND SONGS I COUDNT USE A 16GB WAY TO SMALL

[studogvetmed]

THE TOUCH IS TO SMALL BUT IVE SURCHED THE WEB ALL I CAN FIND IS IT COULD BE COMING OUT XMAS TO SEPTEMBER 2008 IF YOU NO A SOONER DATE PLEASE TELL ME BECAUSE IM WAITING FOR THE TOUCH TO BE IN A 32GB BECAUSE IVE ALL READY FILLED MY IPOD VIDEO 30GB WITH MOVES AND SONGS I COUDNT USE A 16GB WAY TO SMALL

A little off topic.

There is no telling when the iPod touch will get bigger capacity. It likely won't be until After christmas, but crazier things have happened.

You'll just have to wait if the current offerings aren't any good for you.

[CoolRich]

I love my Ipod Touch
i jailbroke it and there are so many things you can do
and im even fine with the 8GB size

[VipFREAK]

One thing I'd really like to see is Notes. I've searched and haven't seen anything about it. If someone can give me screenshots or video of it in action that'd be great.

Speaking of Jailbreak... is there an "all guide" or preview pic wise of the programs you can use and how they work?

Thanks

[Kon]

Hello, I just got a 16 gb touch and I have 2 questions (sorry if they have been answered before).

1) I'd like a remote or something - just like the iphone - so that I could change the song im listening to without taking it out of my pocket. Is there a proper remote? (not like that random 3rd party thing that came out for the nano).

If not should we expect something like that to be released?
This is absolutely necessary.. I hope that they release something like that asap.

2)

I've been looking for a case for more than 2 days and still I don't know what to get... What I mainly want is accessibility - not protection.

I need something very slim that offers full body protection (not screen protection) but that means that I should also buy a screen protector seperately (geez, I'm spamming the word "protection").

I also considered buying an invisible shield from shieldzone. A friend of mine with an iPhone said that it would be better if I got the BSE full body kit plus a screen protector from Brando.

I'm all confused.. Any suggestions?

[dandon]

Hello, I just got a 16 gb touch and I have 2 questions (sorry if they have been answered before).

1) I'd like a remote or something - just like the iphone - so that I could change the song im listening to without taking it out of my pocket. Is there a proper remote? (not like that random 3rd party thing that came out for the nano).

If not should we expect something like that to be released?
This is absolutely necessary.. I hope that they release something like that asap.

2)

I've been looking for a case for more than 2 days and still I don't know what to get... What I mainly want is accessibility - not protection.

I need something very slim that offers full body protection (not screen protection) but that means that I should also buy a screen protector seperately (geez, I'm spamming the word "protection").

I also considered buying an invisible shield from shieldzone. A friend of mine with an iPhone said that it would be better if I got the BSE full body kit plus a screen protector from Brando.

I'm all confused.. Any suggestions?

I got the dlo action neoprene case and it's horrible. so i got the dlo silicon jam jacket case (with headphone management :)) and it came with a seperarte screen protector. it's freagin' awesome.

[tnutzinc]

I'm all for itouch!!!! why invest in another mp3 player when this one has built in wifi!!! now you can visit webpages too!!! its a handheld mediacenter!!! just spend the little extra and get a whole lot more. But you will have to wait until there is better storage capacity

[Kon]

Btw does anyone know if there's a chance that they 'll ad EAP enctyption support (for WLAN) in future firmware updates or sth?

I reeeeeally need it asap.

[clickwheel]

One thing I'd really like to see is Notes. I've searched and haven't seen anything about it. If someone can give me screenshots or video of it in action that'd be great.

Speaking of Jailbreak... is there an "all guide" or preview pic wise of the programs you can use and how they work?

Thanks

see this link

http://www.ipodtouchfans.com/wiki/index.php?title=IPod_touch_Application_Compatibili ty

[PG4G]

Adding the radio remote, or radio capability instead, as a supported function is a desperately important function, and one I wished Apple kept with it.

I can understand though, that it was designed only for iPod OS, not Mac OS XT (Mac OSX touch) and so, i do understand, but do you guys think Apple dropped too much in the touch from the Classic and Nanos?

[ohmygott]

i wanna have one iPod touch too

[Richard.John]

The touch is a wonderful device. I also own a Cowon D2 and though it is good, the iPod boots into into outer space. it's sooooo much more flexible and user friendly.

[ajmorgan]

For some reason, I can't get my Yahoo! Mail account working with the mail application. It says my password or username is incorrect, but I'm positive that they are right.

[dazz87]

I love my Ipod Touch
i jailbroke it and there are so many things you can do
and im even fine with the 8GB size


Just wondering with ipod touch hack does it now support flash?

[DerekVOF]

No, it doesn't support Flash, and it's doubtful a "hack" could make it support Flash. Going to require Apple and/or Adobe to work up a Flash version for the iPod Touch...

[FuzzyG13]

No, it doesn't support Flash, and it's doubtful a "hack" could make it support Flash. Going to require Apple and/or Adobe to work up a Flash version for the iPod Touch...

Well that just answered question number one:p , and number 2 is: how do I download games onto my Touch? I've seen them on the displays with pong and whatnot. Do I download them from websities on the internets or iTunes?

[DerekVOF]

There are some web-based games - here's a link to Apple's directory of games for the iPhone & iPod Touch - http://www.apple.com/webapps/games/

You can also "jailbreak" your iPod Touch (if you wish) and add games directly on your iPod Touch (like Solitaire and an NES emulator). Go to the Hacks forum on iLounge for more information on jailbreaks.

Or you can wait until February when Apple releases their SDK to allow third-parties to develop applications that will run on the iPod Touch - currently there are none available.

[FuzzyG13]

Does Jailbreaking the Touch void the warranty? I just want to know, seeing as it's the 1st gen, I don't want something happening to it, only to find that I can't replace it or the $400.

[MrFlakes]

Yeah, it voids the warranty.

However, I'm not sure if restoring your iPod will...Unvoid it?

Seems like that would be a pretty easy way to keep your warranty for when you actually need it.

[DerekVOF]

Yes, as MrFlakes said, jailbreak does technically void the warranty. However, doing a restore of your iPod Touch will restore it to factory settings and know one can then tell it was jailbroken - warranty still valid :) I've actually seen several people indicate that they've restored before taking their iPod Touches in for service and they were able to get them exchanged, repaired, etc. with no problems. Just don't tell them :D

[Germansuplex]

Question:

I have an iPhone, and thus no reason to buy a touch (unless I wanted an extra 8 gigs... not enough incentive).

One majorly annoying thing on the iPhone is the lack of scrolling text in song/album/video titles. Does the touch have titles that scroll? The old iPods and the classic have scrolling text. Why would Apple leave out something so obvious?

[DerekVOF]

No, unfortunately they don't have scrolling text. Drives me absolutely crazy especially with Podcasts with long names, episode numbers, etc. No idea why they left it out, but hopefully it'll reappear with the next firmware update (along with 101 other bug fixes).

[Patmurph245]

Personally, I think the iPod touch will be Excellent. For all You Nerds Who constantly Adore Music, Go for the iPod classic, I don't care. Now the reason I adore Touch, is because of These Reasons.

1. Touch screen And awesome Features
Ipod touch Can deliver just As much with the Iphone With the help of a Future Firmware Update, I'm Convinced about that fact. The photos And safari Apps I think are Magnifficently Made. :D

2. Well fit in my Pocket and Has a key feature that seperates It from the iPhone.
The key feature is The Thing that lets you bring up Music controls wherever you are in the touch, A saviour Feature for Awkward Conversations.

3. The One key Feature that Seperates it From every single iPod and Media PLayer ever Made.
MULTI TOUCH.

[JimDavis7]

The first question I asked myself before I purchased my I touch was the 8 or 16GB?
I knew I wanted an iPod Touch as my very first iPod because of its unique options compare to the other iPods.

I don't understand those crybabies... Why anyone would like to carry more than few thousand songs and few hundred pictures and a few movies in their pocket all the time?

If I am going away for a long trip that I may need all my song archieve with me generally it's a kind of trip that I take my laptop with me too.

But, if I am going away for a day or two (for example a fishing trip on my boat) two movies, few thousand songs ( I only have a little over 300 as of now ) is more than enough for that kind of time period.

Plus I use my Touch just for its intended use.
I bet a 16 GB will be much more than enough 99% of the users if they were paying to purchase all those songs.

I never intended to download 30,000 garbage songs just because I can do it for FREE over the Internet!!!

I don't even like that many songs and I am 49 years old. The whole idea behind the buying music one by one is (was) to create your own list of "very best of your own taste" without junk songs between them.

It was a great idea to prevent buying the whole CD for one or two songs we like in it. Even the groups and artists I like has many songs that I do not care for.
If you are looking for a cool MP3 player with a nice video screen, multi-touch interface and WiFi capability get an iPod Touch. Even an 8GB is more than enough for those who like to have the best.

For those who like to use their iPod as a MP3 luggage and carry their 12000 songs and 50 movies always with them get something else. It's that simple.

Stop knocking down a very good device just because it's capacity might be too low for the extremist mp3 junkies. For any ordinary music lover person out there it's the best iPod you can have.

Plus like every iPod of the past, this model destined to be outdated soon. Either wait for the 2nd or 3rd generation or invest minimally and get yourself a 8GB model and enjoy the latest and the best iPod with all the additional unique options.

[Leezo!]

Im thinking of getting an Ipod Touch tomorrow. Is it worth it or should I go for the safe option of a 8 gig nano?

[Sydney Bristow]

My DH bought me an iTouch for Christmas and it is my new best buddy. I had a 2nd gen shuffle for the past year and it has been sufficient. Now I know what I was missing! I love it!

My question is that when I am listening in shuffle mode (all albums) and looking at it sideways, the album art does not change whent he song changes. I have to turn it right side up for the art to change and then back on its side. Does that make sense? Did I miss a setting somewhere along the way?:p

TIA!

[Sydney Bristow]

Disregard my last post. I figured it out. Thanks again! Happy listening!

[CrankDat]

I have a touch, it connects to wifi, but when i go 2 safari it doesnt work, does any1 know why?...is there a way i can crash the safari or sumtin?

[BJB4735]

i got my 8gig touch today. I also bought the iClear at best buy which is awesome.

I bought the touch at the apple store and the cashier was really forcing the apple care on me. When i said no she said "if you are planning on keeping this ipod over a year, you really need to get this". I guess apple doesnt have much faith in their new products? :D

[wallet]

When your i pod touch goes to freeze up mode, Simply hold down the centre & menu area
of you touch i pod for 6 seconds & Wham the apple comes to the display. Your now ready to listen to your hearts content.

[DerekVOF]

i got my 8gig touch today. I also bought the iClear at best buy which is awesome.

I bought the touch at the apple store and the cashier was really forcing the apple care on me. When i said no she said "if you are planning on keeping this ipod over a year, you really need to get this". I guess apple doesnt have much faith in their new products? :D

Yeah - Apple (like Best Buy) likes to push the warranty. But you can buy AppleCare up until the day your 1 year warranty expires. No need to get it unless you think you need it then...

[Scarpad]

I picked up a 16gb today at Best Buy, it's a week 45. I have no negative effect on the screen but there appears to be what look like 3 seperate bands on the screen if you look at it in Landscape mode. What these things almost look like are Smudges or "Drips" like a liquid effect. Other wise the Screen is perfect. You only really notic it when there is no content on the screen. Should I return it and has anyone else expierieced this?


Update:

Seems it was my encode, the other vids I've tried looks good. In fact I would say this week 45 Screen looks as good as my co-workers Iphone, no negative effect and the contrast is rock solid.

[Kev_Dawg]

One fast question, how come I can not enter the hard drive? It seems my iPod Video allowed me to use the ipod's hard drive, and play files within the hard drive whenever I feel like. My iPod Touch doesn't seem to do this, is this normal?

[jhollington]

Yes, this is normal. The iPod touch doesn't have any kind of "disk mode" feature, as it uses a synchronization protocol that doesn't rely on disk-level access, and Apple apparently hasn't seen the need to specifically add this capability.

[Ordinary Consum]

I posted this elsewhere, but I just bought an iPod Touch and learned that the iTunes software does not support XP 64 bit. There must be an obvious fix to this problem that I am missing (Apple wouldn't release software that is not supported by XP 64 bit, would it?) Any suggestions most appreciated?

[ileor]

admittedly it has its faults but i compressed everything and spent a few hours breaking everything down and i have my whole itunes library on it and thats about 11000 songs and its not even full yet. i also have about 12 movies on it. Then when you jailbreak it and evrything its worth it

[Reubania]

Haven't been online much....so haven't caught up with the news....but is the current stock of Touch free of them screen/blacks issue yet? I remember the first and second week's release had problems.

Anyone from Australia have these problems still? I hope Apple have sorted out the issue.

[Reubania]

i got my 8gig touch today. I also bought the iClear at best buy which is awesome.

I bought the touch at the apple store and the cashier was really forcing the apple care on me. When i said no she said "if you are planning on keeping this ipod over a year, you really need to get this". I guess apple doesnt have much faith in their new products? :D



Mate, I've never bought Apple Care for my iPods. My 4G 40GB iPod STILL is in perfect working condition - 2 years! The Apple Care is only for 2 years anyway! I think its a waste of money. My bro complains that he has to charge it every 2 days...even when he's not really using it much. LOL. But it definitely surpassed all my expectations. Sure it was an expensive toy, but it's lasted this long.

My refurbished 1G 4GB nano is still chugging away - the best bargain buy, looks and feels virtually brand new when I bought it last year.

The only time I bought Apple Care was for my MacBook. Now, that's one toy I will cry and worry if it goes down the tube.

[tpbishop]

My wife just bought me a 16gb iTouch. I also have a nano which I love. My thought is to use the iTouch for movies on-the-go (when I can plug in so battery life isn't an issue) and leave my music on the nano. Can I have two devices supported through the same iTunes configuration on my PC? Specifically, I do not want to have my music downloaded to the iTouch, and do not want videos downloaded to the nano. Sorry if this is basic, but I couldn't find this answer anywhere else Google took me to. Thanks!

[studogvetmed]

My wife just bought me a 16gb iTouch. I also have a nano which I love. My thought is to use the iTouch for movies on-the-go (when I can plug in so battery life isn't an issue) and leave my music on the nano. Can I have two devices supported through the same iTunes configuration on my PC? Specifically, I do not want to have my music downloaded to the iTouch, and do not want videos downloaded to the nano. Sorry if this is basic, but I couldn't find this answer anywhere else Google took me to. Thanks!

Welcome to iLounge.

You sure can. If you us automatic sync, on your nano, just uncheck video syncing on the tv show and movies tab. On your touch, uncheck music syncing on the music tab.

or choose manually manage for either and drag/drop.

iTunes allows each device to have their own individual settings that it recognizes.

[daihard]

I just bought my iPod touch (16GB) at Costco this Saturday. Not only do they sell it $10 cheaper than the Apple store, they also offer a 90-day "no questions asked" return policy. I couldn't be happier on that. :)

[tpbishop]

Welcome to iLounge.

You sure can. If you us automatic sync, on your nano, just uncheck video syncing on the tv show and movies tab. On your touch, uncheck music syncing on the music tab.

or choose manually manage for either and drag/drop.

iTunes allows each device to have their own individual settings that it recognizes.
Awesome! Someone else I had asked said something about creating alternate iTunes libraries, but this sounds much simpler. Thanks!

[Connahhh]

Tomorrows the day guys! Im going to best buy and picking up a 16gb touch, for, get this, $160 cost to me!

How so?

$100 from my parents as a christmas gift, $100 from my grandparents as a christmas gift, and $40 off with a 10% off cupon. So stoked.

[studogvetmed]

Tomorrows the day guys! Im going to best buy and picking up a 16gb touch, for, get this, $160 cost to me!

How so?

$100 from my parents as a christmas gift, $100 from my grandparents as a christmas gift, and $40 off with a 10% off cupon. So stoked.

Read the back of the coupon. Sometimes those coupons will exclude iPods from the savings. You may still be able to use, but thought I'd warn you just in case you can't.

Good luck and enjoy the iPod.

[krusej23]

My college's wifi network is not compatible with the ipod touch and i was wondering if anyone had heard anything about apple coming out with an update so that it supports the encryption some colleges use?

[dooza]

hey everyone
Ive just bought a touch and have a few questions. I dont have a iTunes account and was wondering how to get all the album artwork onto the ipod. Does it cost money? and how am i able to connect to safari and youtube on my ipod?
I also wanted to know how to get a iTunes account and if that is just a one-off payment.
Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks

[studogvetmed]

hey everyone
Ive just bought a touch and have a few questions. I dont have a iTunes account and was wondering how to get all the album artwork onto the ipod. Does it cost money? and how am i able to connect to safari and youtube on my ipod?
I also wanted to know how to get a iTunes account and if that is just a one-off payment.
Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks

There is no cost to get an iTunes account, though you have to supply credit card or paypal information to sign up for the account, but you don't have to make any charges. Getting album art is free. If you don't want to or can't give payment information. Buy an iTunes gift card from target or the like, and during the redeem process at the iTunes store you can set up an account without giving a credit card.

To get on safari or youtube from the iPod you will need to be near and able to connect to an open Wi-Fi access point.

[dooza]

ok thanks.
And i can just get the album artwork somewhere off the iTunes store can I? any idea where? and if i want the new app update that Apple has just brought out i can just sign up to get a iTunes account and then buy it off there is that right?

[dooza]

Do i need a iTunes account to get album artwork for my ipod?
Where can I find all the artwork? on iTunes?

[bobbit]

Do i need a iTunes account to get album artwork for my ipod?
Where can I find all the artwork? on iTunes?

Depends. If you get album artwork off the internet or CD then no, you don't need an iTunes account.

However if you want to download the artwork directly off the iTunes Music Store, you will need an iTunes account.

There are a few dedicated websites for album artwork, and places like Amazon have artwork if you search for the CD. Other than that, most of it you can get off the iTunes Music Store.

Oh - Once you're set up with an iTunes account, just click Advanced and 'Get Album Artwork.' It'll download all the artwork for your entire library.

[kylo4]

Hi everybody at iLounge! I just got a wireless router and now I am able to type this message using my iPod touch to post this message.

[dooza]

hey again.
just wondering. I am downloading a software update (1.1.3) for my touch. once its finished and i want to install it, will i have to restore my ipod? i.e songs are deleted? im guessing thats what happens when you do a restore?
And does the same thing happen if i want to buy the new software upgrade (maps, stocks etc)?
any help again would be good
thanks

[PG4G]

No, the software upgrade to the touch just "syncs new applications" which is just unlocking what update 1.1.3 already contains. It is just syncing an extra code to the iPod, not restoring it, and as such you will not have to re-add your stuff :D

[studogvetmed]

As long as you chose update and not restore, generally updates leave all information on your iPod intact. Always good to have a back up before an update though, you never know if their will be an error.

No restore is needed after purchasing the apps, it simply downloads a key to unlock the apps that were already downloading in the 1.1.3 update.

[dooza]

anyone know when Apple are going to bring out the February update? If there is one? And what will be on it?

[dooza]

I was also wondering if anyone had any idea what the cost would be to install a Wi-Fi access point at my house? Thats if i need to?

[DerekVOF]

You can get an inexpensive wireless access point/router for about $30-$50...

[dooza]

I was thinking about jailbreaking my touch and wanted to make a back-up copy of all my songs beforehand, just in case something happened with the jailbreak. Can anyone help me out with how to do this? I got my songs from all over the place on my computer so i dont want to make a copy song by song.
Please help.

[PG4G]

You can't get them back from your iPod directly. That is impossible without a jailbreak

Theoretically, if your iTunes library is still intact, no matter where you got the songs from on your hard drive, then there should be no problem about loosing songs

if you are manually managing it, though, then you can't make a playlist back of what you have on the touch for easy later sync. That's the beauty of using a Playlist to drag to as your iPod touch playlist, and then only sync that playlist over.

[KorS]

Can any Aussies help me? :)

I recently bought Ipod Touch 16gb from Australian ebay site and was just wondering if I can still extend the warranty (of course by paying) if I go to the nearest Apple store even though I didn't buy the Ipod there?

Thanks in advance. :D

[PG4G]

Very much doubt it...

Selling over eBay will most probably not be from an Apple Authorised Distributor and that is required for warranty extension.

(and yeah, i'm an Aussie!)

[jhollington]

You can't get them back from your iPod directly. That is impossible without a jailbreak
Actually, that's not entirely true... There are several utilities out there that will recover content from an iPod touch (or iPhone).... They're just not as common as utilities for the traditional iPod models, as the iPod touch and iPhone use a different synchronization protocol.

The only downside is that I am not aware of any free utilities that can recover your content from the iPod touch or iPhone at this point, although most of the paid utilities have limited trials available, but you'll have to pay around $20 if you want full functionality.

See our February 7th Ask iLounge Column (http://www.ilounge.com/index.php/articles/comments/ask-ilounge-2-7-08/) for more information.

Theoretically, if your iTunes library is still intact, no matter where you got the songs from on your hard drive, then there should be no problem about loosing songs
That's essentially correct, however.... If your content is in your iTunes library, regardless of where it's located, there's really not much point in recovering it from your iPod touch. If you want to have it located all in one place, then simply use the Consolidate Library option found on the "Advanced" menu in iTunes -- this will copy all of your tracks into your iTunes Music folder location, organizing them into folders by ARTIST and ALBUM and naming them with the track name from within the tags themselves.

Recovering content from the iPod should only be necessary if you've been transferring it to your iPod and deleting it from your computer.

[KorS]

Didn't want to create another thread so I'll ask this here :)

I'm having trouble with my Ipod Touch 16gb one where when I watch the video, it kinda stops at about 10 mins mark and goes back to video listing. Like at about 10min mark, video kinda becomes bit stretched and sound suddenly stops and goes back to video listing and when I click on the video, it starts over again...

I'm using Videora Ipod Converter to convert all these video so is it the converter's problem or the Ipod itself?

(sorry for my english~ :o)

[DerekVOF]

Could be either - try to download one of the free videos from iTunes (since those are obviously known to work) - you can download them here - http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewRoom?fcId=178698089&pageType=playlists&id=37

If those videos also have problems, you need to look at how the videos are transferred. It's probably not your iPod Touch that has issues, but rather the transfer to your iPod Touch. Several users found that you need to use the USB plugs in the back of the computer (not on a hub, keyboard or even the front of the computer). If that doesn't work, some have picked up USB PCI cards which fixed their issues. Search the forums for more information.

[rockmyplimsoul]

This bug is getting to be very annoying ...

1- Pause any song at any point

2- Hit the Rev |<< button to return it to 0:00 time to queue it up to re-start the song at the beginning. The song remains paused at 0:00 ... good!

3- Press the Sleep button to turn off the display, or let the Touch go to sleep on its own.

4- Wake the Touch up and press Play. Instead of the song re-starting at 0:00, it re-starts where you paused it in step #1. If you look closely and have the scrubber bar showing, you can see the time starts at 0:00 but quickly jumps to where you paused in step #1 and starts Play there.

This sequence is is very repeatable, but not sure if it existed with 1.1.2 or earlier? Reported to the iTunes Feedback page (is there a dedicated feedback page for the Touch?)

http://www.apple.com/feedback/itunesapp.html (http://www.apple.com/feedback/itunesapp.html)

[DerekVOF]

Dedicated feedback page for the iPod Touch - www.apple.com/feedback/ipodtouch.html

[rockmyplimsoul]

Dedicated feedback page for the iPod Touch - www.apple.com/feedback/ipodtouch.html (http://www.apple.com/feedback/ipodtouch.html) Duh! Should've figured that one out, thanks!

[alerx7]

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every time i try to open an app it crashes except safari and im trying uninstall but i cant seem to get a hold of installer long enough ,, any help please ,,, lol,,,,, i am goin to have to restore ,,, oh and for the record ,,, ziphone.org works great to unlock , the iphone and change ime numbers it took me 1 minute to do everything ,, thing is awesome but only change ime if ur a lil thief ,,, wouldnt recomend it if u dont have to uses ime change

[LittleBoomBox]

So glad that I upgraded from the 16 to the 32.

[Nicklas]

If i completely shut down my ipod touch will the alarm still go off?? also will the ipod ever completely shut down by itself?

[Stay Alive 305]

If i completely shut down my ipod touch will the alarm still go off?? also will the ipod ever completely shut down by itself?
No, the alarm will not go off if the iPod touch is off.

If your iPod touch is in Sleep mode it will not shut down until it runs out of battery.

[thrice]

If i completely shut down my ipod touch will the alarm still go off?? also will the ipod ever completely shut down by itself?


Yes it will. Of course, you could just go in, set the alarm for one minute and then turn off your iPod Touch and find out for yourself as well.

I just set an alarm for one minute later and turned off the iPod Touch via the button on the top of the unit....one minute later the alarm went off. You get a pop-up window asking you snooze or if you want to stop the alarm, you just slid the slider on the bottom.

[jhollington]

Actually, I think you're referring to when the iPod touch is in standby or "sleep" mode, as opposed to "completely off" (which is what the earlier poster was asking).

One press of the top button will put the iPod touch to sleep, which is the normal operating state. In this mode it's still running, but consuming virtually no power. On the other hand, if you turn the iPod touch off completely (ie, hold down the button on top and "Slide to power off") then alarms do not sound, as the device is actually shut down (ie, powered off).

Really, though, it shouldn't matter as there's seldom any need to do this unless you're storing the iPod touch for long periods of time without using it. The normal screen-off sleep mode is normally sufficient for normal use, particularly on the iPod touch where there is no cellular radio to consume power when the device is otherwise idle (note that sleep mode does put the WiFi transceiver in standby as well).

[thrice]

Actually, I think you're referring to when the iPod touch is in standby or "sleep" mode, as opposed to "completely off" (which is what the earlier poster was asking).

One press of the top button will put the iPod touch to sleep, which is the normal operating state. In this mode it's still running, but consuming virtually no power. On the other hand, if you turn the iPod touch off completely (ie, hold down the button on top and "Slide to power off") then alarms do not sound, as the device is actually shut down (ie, powered off).

Really, though, it shouldn't matter as there's seldom any need to do this unless you're storing the iPod touch for long periods of time without using it. The normal screen-off sleep mode is normally sufficient for normal use, particularly on the iPod touch where there is no cellular radio to consume power when the device is otherwise idle (note that sleep mode does put the WiFi transceiver in standby as well).


Yeah I just spent some time going through the Touch manual (just got mine on Saturday) and noticed that there is a "off" feature. i was unaware of that, I just thought the sleep button was off.

My bad.

[Cogniscient]

I'm sitting on hold at this moment, waiting for the next layer of escalation at Apple, re: the problems seemingly stemming from the 1.1.4 update to my Ipod Touch 8GB.
I started this call almost an hour ago. Very nice lady tried her best to help: we did full restore, resetup twice to no avail.

the symptom is erratic network speed/throughput and general slow and hesitant application performance. Youtube is neutered. Basically unusable. The controls behave differently - after the download, when I access a Youtube video of any length, even very small ones, the controls popup first, in the "stopped" mode while the device attempts to buffer the stream. Buffering takes a long time [unbearably long], but no matter how much content is apparently buffered, the activation of the "Play" button will only get me about 20sec of video, then a halt with the controls being redisplayed in the "Stop" condition. Nothing I do can break the cycle - hit "play", get 3 more seconds, halt, hit "play", get 2sec, halt.
In short, toasted.

Second line support could do nothing [I'm now done with the call... my one and only] so made an appt at the Apple Store for someone smart there to look it over, and/or replace.

Odd: they acknowledged on the call that they are seeing "a few" Ipod Touch and iPhones with this set of symptoms post-1.1.4, but do not offer a rollback to 1.1.3 as a solution.

:o

[PG4G]

Then... do it yourself. Its not exactly hard.

[Paul iPod touch]

Yesterday after syncing my iPod Touch the 'Bought on Xs ipod' folder was split into two, with once folder containing just the last song bought and the other folder containing the rest.
I thought it was weird but ignored it, later i was listening to a podcast when using safari and the podcast just kept repeating the same few seconds - i tried to access music controls to stop the podcast but it was frozen, i couldn't even turn it off.

Any idea why? (I'll prob do a reset to fix it later but is this a big that anyone else has seen, should i go and see the mac geniuses to check it's not a virus?)

Thanks
*also, anyone know why safari crashes every so often?*

[PG4G]

I have yet to have a crash on safari (well, i did on my mates 2.0 beta'd safari, but not mine :D the 2.0 beta is horrific :D Apple will fix that though.

As for your questions:

1.
I believe it has to do with the fact that your iPod doesn't associate that "Purchased on X's iPod" playlist as being the same as "X's iPod Downloaded purchases" (not the real title, just the one to make it make sense to you)

It fails to see them as being linked. That happens later once you connect to iTunes, it all gets reorganised, and then resynced into the one playlist back on your iPod again. There is no issue. It's just saving itself having to do a much more complex task, giving you more processing power to do the things you love, like listening to the songs you just bought.


2. As for the Podcast, i would just put that down to the processor getting slammed at the same time with a system error from Safari. Just a case of 2 large processes happening at once. A reset of your iPod may be called for. Just hold down the home and sleep buttons for around 5 seconds till it turns off, and then let go. Turn on normally, and you should be back in business

Thanks for giving me something to do at what is 5:07 in the morning here in Australia!

[Paul iPod touch]

Thanks about that - but i just let it run the battery out.
What i was gonna say is that when i originally downloaded it the song went into the 'Purchased on Xs iPod' folder, after being synced it changed into a folder with the same name but only that 1 song inside - and the earlier downloaded songs remaining in the original (same name) folder.

(Also, after an iTunes update all my podcast subscriptions got deleted and i had to add them on again)

[PG4G]

That is very odd behaviour.

It seems an iTunes error, not a touch error.

I suggest that you uninstall iTunes, and then reinstall it.

Hopefully that will fix the problem

In future, DO NOT let your iPod's baterry go to nothing.

The iPod battery has no memory, and is damaged by losing all charge. It needs to stay above I believe its 4% or else problems start to occur. The iPod shuts off at 5% I believe, but even the iPod's estimates are just that. Estimates.

If you ever get problem, I suggest you reset like I directed you. Don't let it "sort itself out" - you are just creating other problems.

[Paul iPod touch]

That is very odd behaviour.

It seems an iTunes error, not a touch error.

I suggest that you uninstall iTunes, and then reinstall it.

Hopefully that will fix the problem

In future, DO NOT let your iPod's battery go to nothing.

The iPod battery has no memory, and is damaged by losing all charge. It needs to stay above I believe its 4% or else problems start to occur. The iPod shuts off at 5% I believe, but even the iPod's estimates are just that. Estimates.

If you ever get problem, I suggest you reset like I directed you. Don't let it "sort itself out" - you are just creating other problems.


The reset worked, thanks - i've booked a mac genius session anyway though seeing as i'll be in town tomorrow and i'm curious as to why it happened. Thanks for your help

[Paul iPod touch]

I bought a song using the iTunes store on my iPod Touch yesterday - the song downloaded and it took the money. The song played fine (it even went into the Purchased on Paul's iPod folder!) - today I synced my iPod to download two new podcasts, after this i couldn't find the song (Wiley - Wearing my Rolex /// don't tease me on my taste in music, it was stuck in my head) either on my iPod or on iTunes - i looked under artists on my iPod and searched on iTunes ... it wasn't there and they haven't sent me the receipt yet - why did it delete my song!!! Will apple send me another copy of the song or credit my account with the money again? is there anything i can do?

[rock1981]

It is great, I like items that are Wifi ready, you never know when you might use it

Ron Abir

[iPod Touch User]

i have a 16 GB touch and my iTunes wont sync music onto it. it says theres an unknown error (-54). anyone know how to fix???

[.Core]

Hi everyone,

I just bought myself an iPod Touch 8GB, and I have to say I am very pleased with my purchase. Although I am not necessarily an audiophile or anything, and I don't have a large music collection yet.

My question though concerns movies and videos for the iPod Touch. I have some videos, some are in .avi format or .mov and some are in .mkv format. I was wondering if someone could recommend a good converter software for converting the videos to iPod friendly settings and formats. I would assume though that .mov can be converted within iTunes, but am unaware of a converter for .avi's or .mkv. Thanks for the help.

[jhollington]

Well, we have a good series of tutorials on video conversion for the iPod that you might want to check out:

About iPod and iPhone Video Formats and Display Resolutions (http://www.ilounge.com/index.php/articles/comments/the-complete-guide-to-ipod-video-formats-and-display-resolutions/)

iPod/iPhone Video Conversion (Mac) (http://www.ilounge.com/index.php/articles/comments/the-complete-guide-to-ipod-video-conversion-mac/)

iPod/iPhone Video Conversion (Windows) (http://www.ilounge.com/index.php/articles/comments/the-complete-guide-to-ipod-video-conversion-win/)

Managing Videos in iTunes (http://www.ilounge.com/index.php/articles/comments/the-complete-guide-to-managing-itunes-videos/)

[.Core]

Thanks for the links I was actually looking for tutorials such as these.

[thirtyone]

So, with Apple's announcement of the iPod Touch (http://www.apple.com/ipodtouch/) today, what are your thoughts or first impressions?

Post them here....

Just got it less than a week. Everything is functioning properly. Hope it'll not disappoint me! Anyway, what is the difference bet. 1st gen ipods n other gen ipods?

[kornchild2002]

Just got it less than a week. Everything is functioning properly. Hope it'll not disappoint me! Anyway, what is the difference bet. 1st gen ipods n other gen ipods?

We don't know yet as the second generation (2G) iPod touch has not been released yet and probably won't come out until September/October of this year. Apple might not even release a 2G iPod touch, they could release a 1.5G iPod touch which would feature minor hardware and software upgrades over the current iPod touch. We will have to wait 4-5 months before we know anything as Apple doesn't release this information early.

[Heterocidal]

Does the newest version of the iTouch come stock with the new applications, or do you still have to buy those seperately?

Also, if I update my itunes will it brick my jailbroken iTouch?

[DAhunts15]

im happy with my jailbreaked ipod touch. (8GB) its pretty kewl once you jailbreaked ur ipod. but how do u access the downloads file when u download files from safari? if anyone knows please contact me....................

[DerekVOF]

Yes, the new iPod Touch comes with the applications. There's shouldn't be much old stock out there, but if you see it on sale for a really low price, check to make sure it's not an old model (/A for the 8GB or 16GB - 32GB always came with the apps).

Updating iTunes shouldn't brick your jailbroken iPod Touch. Even updating the firmware shouldn't brick it (at least with any current firmware). Just take a spin around the jailbreak community before you upgrade to the latest firmware if you want to keep your jailbreak.

[jtharrison]

I was just wondering if anybody had any inside info about when Flash will be coming to the iPod touch?

I know that my website at spinovertheweb.com is in desparate need of managing and I just really need Flash on my iPhone because I never really get the chance to sit down and manage things and I'm sure that business owners and those who do editing with Flash are just dying for it to come to a handheld device like the iPhone.

[PG4G]

It doesn't seem it will be coming any time soon.

Apple's relationship with Adobe is very very very rocky at the moment.

[rock1981]

It doesn't seem it will be coming any time soon.

Apple's relationship with Adobe is very very very rocky at the moment.

I heard things might get Better


Ron Abir

SVP CICP

[DerekVOF]

Ummm... No, I don't think there are any questions since we've all known about the 300mb limit and the fix for about 10 months now, but thanks.... as for your advice to not upgrade to 3.14, gimme a break - it works fine and has nothing to do with the 300mb problem.

Go spam elsewhere...

[brmuff]

hello everybody!

Well, i've got a recent problem with my iTouch. I connect it to my computer and it all works apparently fine after I discovered that the battery doesn't charges. it all look exactly as it should be but the only difference is that the battery that appears in the ipod is always red and doesn't charge.

Anyone can help me with this problem?

[Tweekish]

I had a play with a touch at my local Apple store, I was pretty impressed with them. Im going to wait for the September/Pctober announcement to see if they do bigger capacity ones soon. The only thing thats holding me back is that my music collection alone is more than 32Gig without TV shows....

Im jealous of you guys!

[bigfan5o]

I only have about 500 songs, but I have at least 24 tv episodes at bout 43mins a piece!

[Darkalias4747]

iTunes just let me download 2.0. Yay!

[yinyang]

seems to be working now - in the process of downloading now :)

226MB...!

[mingus]

new ipod user here. just got an 8gb touch. using Ultimate Ears Super.fi pro 5s. The hiss is so bad it's really not usable for me. Is this for real?

I installed itunes 7.5 to get it working and used Mediamonkey to copy some mp3s over.

I really like everything about it - except the audio quality. possible the newer models are any better?

[Cogniscient]

this one mystifies me and I can't find a way to state the issue to do a good search for the answer!

simple: hookup my Touch to the PC, it triggers itunes to popup, and if windows doesn't kill everything, life is good.
Except that, something I'm touching in Itunes tells it to hide or disconnect or get rid of my Touch.... it disappears and I don't see any menu slection in iTunes to conjure up my ipod! where did it go? how to get it visible again?

the only thing i know to do at present is barbaric.... i unplug the usb cable, wait a sec, then plug it back in. then it starts from the beginning again.

tell me there's a better way :p

[Cogniscient]

did you go through all your EQ patches to see which one gives a better sound for you?

new ipod user here. just got an 8gb touch. using Ultimate Ears Super.fi pro 5s. The hiss is so bad it's really not usable for me. Is this for real?

I installed itunes 7.5 to get it working and used Mediamonkey to copy some mp3s over.

I really like everything about it - except the audio quality. possible the newer models are any better?

[mingus]

did you go through all your EQ patches to see which one gives a better sound for you?

I did try Flat and Off originally, just tried most of the others. does nothing for the background hissing/noise. this is the best Apple can do? I'll be bringing my iAudio player on my next trip at this point. too bad cuz i love the way this thing works.

[Cogniscient]

mine is quiet. really good quality

there is an article somewhere on this subject, and a cure, I think.
the tagline I recall is "does your iPod Hiss at you"
You might google that line and see what you get

I did try Flat and Off originally, just tried most of the others. does nothing for the background hissing/noise. this is the best Apple can do? I'll be bringing my iAudio player on my next trip at this point. too bad cuz i love the way this thing works.

[freedomj]

new user here, i just bought my itouch 16GB installed i-tunes and sync w/ the i-touch. i copy some video from my pc i played it in i-touch, video is amazing minus the sounds. What seems to be the problem here? any help :confused:

[mingus]

I put the 2.0 software on and still hisses, plus it broke compatability with my MediaMonkey. even had to restore it and lose everything.

can someone tell me how to copy music on to the iPod once i have imported the folders into iTunes? I have never really used it and am forced to now.

i was able to import some folders of music into iTunes and when i try to drag it on to the iPod no go.

i'll end up using my iAudio but want to be able to put something on it anyway.

thanks

[Cogniscient]

new user here, i just bought my itouch 16GB installed i-tunes and sync w/ the i-touch. i copy some video from my pc i played it in i-touch, video is amazing minus the sounds. What seems to be the problem here? any help :confused:

I'm impressed that it worked at all. virtually all the PC compatible formats are incompatible with iPod.

[Pussom]

My iPod Touch Will Not Sync

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I baught my iPod Touch 8GB about a month ago from a friend of mine, and it had worked for him fine, so i baught it and it had like 3 pages of apps on it. I was using it almost everyday and it worked great I had 1000 songs on it and videos and pictures and everything like that.

The other day I plugged my iPod into my computer and the usual pop ups on itunes came up saying that I need to update my iPod with a free update. So i finally clicked it and it updated and what not. But when I went to listen to it all my songs, videos, apps, and picitures had disappeared, this ####ed me off greatly. So I said well whatever I'll just go re-sync it to get my movies songs and pics back I'll worry about the apps later.

So I plug in the iPod and it says on the ipod that it is charging the battery and everything but itunes doesnt recognize it as connected. I went on to the "Run Diagnostics" thing and it said there was and error with syncing. I then clicked the help button and it re-directed me to the Apple Support site and I followed all the instructions such as re-install itunes and restart the iPod and restart the computer. But it still won't be recognized on itunes, on the left hand navigation bar on itunes where it would usualy say "Devices" that doesn't even pop up anymore so I'm really lost with what to do, I've tried everythign I can think of.

If anybody was actualy willing to read all that, please help me, I'm so lost with out my iPod. I NEED IT! Thank You

[aboetzelaer]

Hello, I've broken my ipod video 30GB! I've been wondering about buying a new one, but i'm still hesitating between an ipod touch and an ipod nano!
It would be nice if you could give me an advice on which one would you buy and why?
Or if you could tell me about problems you had with you're ipod touch?
thxs

[sjonke]

Regarding audio hiss in the 1st gen touch. If you have a lot of audio hiss, something is wrong. I use Westone UM2 in-ear-canal phones and while there is some hiss, it is very minimal. It may be worth noting that in comparison to the iPod video it replaced for me, the background hiss was slightly greater, but still very minimal. You would only notice it with in-ear-canal phones, and even then only if you are trying to hear it during a silent part of a recording. I never notice it normally. So, either there is something wrong with your touch, or perhaps what you are hearing is hiss in the recording.

[Zamboni Guy]

Just got the Touch 2G....when I use my Sendstation Pocket Dock that has a line out, the audio comes out of the speaker instead of the line out.

Is there a way to configure audio to come out the Line Out instead of the speaker or am I SOL?