You have to be kidding me! [Archive]

Neo8234

07-01-2007, 04:58 AM

Belkin has an iPhone Headphone Adapter for sale through the Apple store... basically extends the jack to an excessively far 1.5" beyond the body of the device. It costs $10 on the Apple Store, this for a part that has to cost less than 5 cents each to manufacture.

I guess the reason they had to do it recessed was that they didn't want to sacrifice the curved edges of the device... but an odd decision indeed. I'm not happy that I can't use the stereo splitter in my car until I find an extender or a specially designed iphone stereo splitter cable.

Sarlacc

07-01-2007, 04:59 AM

Wow, go ahead and return your phone. Lose out on the open box restocking fee.

Damn shame you weren't actually smart enough to do a little research and realize companies such as Belkin have already come out with small adapters for this sort of thing.
That's right, $10 extra bucks got me a flexible extension that allows me to use whatever headphones/earbuds/aux car cables I want.

I swear between this site and macrumors I have never seen such crybabies before dealing with single product.

gplux

07-01-2007, 05:49 AM

I guess the reason they had to do it recessed was that they didn't want to sacrifice the curved edges of the device... but an odd decision indeed. I'm not happy that I can't use the stereo splitter in my car until I find an extender or a specially designed iphone stereo splitter cable.[/QUOTE]

Just remember all business decisions are about money, not religeon

~tl

07-01-2007, 06:57 AM

Apple should really have bundled a short adapter cable like they did with the iPod shuffle Sports Case (http://www.ilounge.com/index.php/ipod/review/apple-ipod-shuffle-sport-case-ipod/).

hammockjockey

07-01-2007, 04:23 PM

i had a short male to female cord from radioshack that i just shaved down the one side with a razor until it seated properly. Problem solved. Should it be necessary? I don't care cause it works!

Trancein305

07-01-2007, 04:30 PM

apple [edit] up in that part. !!! Big time.. i have $100 V-Moda headphones & know i cant use them WTF!!

Edit: Please do not use profanity nor word ma5k1ng per Forum Policy (http://www.ilounge.com/index.php/ilounge/forumpolicy/).

hammockjockey

07-01-2007, 04:39 PM

scratch that. I went ahead and trimmed off 1/8" on all my headphones and adapters like this:

http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p107/hammockjockey/utf-8qphoto.jpg
and like this:
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p107/hammockjockey/utf-8qphoto-1.jpg

by the way these were taken with my iphone and emailed to photobucket.com for file sharing!!!!

ctakim

07-13-2007, 02:00 AM

Hmm, I guess the iPhone doesn't do macro focusing!:)

galavanter

07-13-2007, 10:26 AM

I used my pocketknife to shave a little plastic off the plug for my super.fi pros. Took like 2 minutes and I didn't even cut myself.
The clear ones I have (silver cable inside) look gorgeous on the iPhone and sound just as good.
I did email UE last night asking about making new cables for the iphone. They have a distinct advantage if they want to stay in the game since their design allows the cables to plug right into the buds. No goofy adapters necessary.

DylPod

07-13-2007, 01:46 PM

iPoD15

07-14-2007, 01:01 PM

So if I buy that sport case thing, the cable will let me use whatever headphones I want?

mrklaw

07-14-2007, 01:12 PM

to those complai ing about the complainers... This isn't something that is obvious by looking at the packaging or a website. If you wanted this at launch its perfectly possible to have missed this. And apple sell a lot of expensive headphones on their site so no excuse imo for this. Its just dumb

rldunn

07-14-2007, 01:13 PM

Yes. I actually already owned the 1G Shuffle, with the Sport case, but use the 2G Shuffle now for running. When I got my iPhone and found out about the headphone port issue, I started using the sport case adapter for exactly that, and it works great. It's only about 3" long, so it's the perfect size for this.

fk51785

07-14-2007, 08:19 PM

That belkin adapter thing is huge.
And very ugly also.

Sosha

07-14-2007, 08:56 PM

C'mon, people; think about it. How many iPod accessories work with the iPhone?

None?

What does that mean?

All of the little consumers will go out and buy new accessories (or, in this case, headphones).

I see that vModa already had some in the market. Now, be good little lambs and go buy them.....

Surf Monkey

07-14-2007, 09:11 PM

Nintendoskater9

07-14-2007, 09:44 PM

Actually it kinda is an iPod

Surf Monkey

07-14-2007, 10:03 PM

Actually it kinda is an iPod

No it isn't. It's a communications device with iPod functions, Web functions and phone functions. iPhone is not an iPod. They're different devices with different target markets. iPod is a dedicated PMP. Big difference.

corryzahn

07-15-2007, 02:21 AM

I have a set of etymotic ER 6i earplugs that work just great. No modifications, no adapter needed.

mrklaw

07-15-2007, 07:22 AM

It makes sense actually. Headphones without a mic are far less useful than new iPhone specific models that have a mic. Speaker docs don't work either because of the GSM interference. Seems like customers would be more unhappy about their iPod speakers blowing out than they would with having to use an iPod with them rather than iPhone.

People need to remember that iPhone is not iPod.
but it is. What is wrong with choice? N95 lets you use normal headphone, it just tells you to use the mic on the phone for calls.
Apple need to stop being so closed in theor thinking.

Surf Monkey

07-15-2007, 02:16 PM

but it is. What is wrong with choice? N95 lets you use normal headphone, it just tells you to use the mic on the phone for calls.
Apple need to stop being so closed in theor thinking.

Apple? Close minded?
:rolleyes:

mrklaw

07-15-2007, 02:49 PM

difficult to spot sarcasm on the net, but these days (IMO of course), apple solutions are fairly proprietary. They get away with it due to their success but its still an issue

Surf Monkey

07-15-2007, 02:55 PM

difficult to spot sarcasm on the net, but these days (IMO of course), apple solutions are fairly proprietary. They get away with it due to their success but its still an issue

When has Apple not been proprietary? That's been the hallmark of Apple since the very beginning. No one ever goes and buys parts to assemble an Apple computer like they do a PC. Generic Apple compatible parts beyond hard drives and RAM chips have always been few and far between. Apple has always rolled with standards that aren't mainstream and have consistently locked people into their own technology. Apple consistently changes the game forcing people to upgrade everything. This happens again and again. It's how they do business, and they do it for a reason: so that their stuff works easily and predictably.

mrklaw

07-15-2007, 05:37 PM

In that case I agree :)

moeenergy

08-21-2007, 06:38 PM

Hello,

Those of you looking to pick up a cheap shuffle sportcase with headphone extension on ebay - be careful. I've noticed at least one fellow offering the case, but after reading more closely it appears he is removing the adapter and is now selling it as a separate item. Make sure you are getting the entire package. I'f I'm not mistaken this is an example of it - Item number: 280143763104 and Item number: 280143761799

Moe

iMagic

08-21-2007, 09:34 PM

3 Points:

1. The iPhone is an iPod because Apple says it is.
2. No one will ever know why Apple designed the headphone jack the way they did. It's either a case of fashion-over-function gone amok (not surprising for Apple) or another attempt at vendor lock-in (again, not surprising).
3. This wouldn't matter if it supported A2DP(bluetooth stereo), which would open it up to standard 3rd-party accessories, something Apple dreads.

Surf Monkey

08-21-2007, 11:20 PM

3 Points:

1. The iPhone is an iPod because Apple says it is.

They don't. Go look at their Web site. iPhone isn't in the iPod section. It's in its own section. iPhone is not an iPod. It's an Apple palmtop computer with a phone and iTunes built in.

2. No one will ever know why Apple designed the headphone jack the way they did. It's either a case of fashion-over-function gone amok (not surprising for Apple) or another attempt at vendor lock-in (again, not surprising).

Fashion over function is where my vote goes. Personally, I don't find it problematic. The idea may be that they want a distinction at the jack level between head phones with a mic built in and head phones without a mic. It's a very Apple thing to do. Make a slight physical change that speaks to the function of and interface with the hardware in question.

3. This wouldn't matter if it supported A2DP(bluetooth stereo), which would open it up to standard 3rd-party accessories, something Apple dreads.

Judging by the vast number of iPod third party accessory manufacturers, I think you may be wrong about that. I think Apple will open it up to stereo Bluetooth, but only once they have their own stereo Bluetooth head set. It isn't that they don't want third party. It's that they don't want third parties playing on a field that Apple isn't also playing on.

iMagic

08-22-2007, 02:13 PM

Surf Monkey

08-22-2007, 02:17 PM

Actually they say the iPhone is a "Widescreen iPod" as well as a "Revolutionary Phone" and "Breakthrough internet device." Nowhere does it say it's a palmtop computer with iTunes. The media player application is called iPod, not iTunes.

Thanks for the investigative work, Sherlock.

News flash: marketing hype isn't always reflective of reality. In fact, it seldom is. The fact that Apple calls it an iPod does not make it an iPod. It's a phone/computer with iTunes built in. Even Apple has a hard time hiding that fact. After all, it's not on the iPod page on their site, now is it?

iMagic

08-22-2007, 06:29 PM

Is the Apple TV an iPod then? It's in the iPod+iTunes section. The definition of iPod is unclear but since it's Apple's trademark name I'm going with the "anything Apple describes as such."

Surf Monkey

08-22-2007, 08:12 PM

Is the Apple TV an iPod then? It's in the iPod+iTunes section. The definition of iPod is unclear but since it's Apple's trademark name I'm going with the "anything Apple describes as such."

Two points;

1) The definition of what's an iPod isn't that hazy. Go look at Apple's site. They draw a very clear distinction between iPod and iPhone. If we use your definition then yes, anything Apple makes that happens to also run iTunes is automatically an iPod. An iMac, a Macbook Pro, an Apple TV... all iPods based on your definition.

2) Apple has NEVER officially said that iPhone was an iPod. Steve Jobs said it to at the keynote when it was announced and he said it again to a handful of reporters but Apple as a company has been VERY careful not to make that comment part of the official campaign for iPhone. It doesn't appear in print or on any of their Web pages. It's important in life to learn to think critically. Jobs was engaged in generating hype for iPhone, not making hard and fast statements about where it falls within their product strategy.

Bottom line: iPhone is no more an iPod than Apple TV or any other Apple product is an iPod... except for iPod/Nano/Shuffle.

Paoii

08-23-2007, 08:44 AM

Two points;

1) The definition of what's an iPod isn't that hazy. Go look at Apple's site. They draw a very clear distinction between iPod and iPhone. If we use your definition then yes, anything Apple makes that happens to also run iTunes is automatically an iPod. An iMac, a Macbook Pro, an Apple TV... all iPods based on your definition.

But an iPod itself doesn't even run iTunes... nor the iPhone.

Thanks for the investigative work, Sherlock.

And nice work on the maturity before hand. So he proved you wrong, big deal. Could have been more decent about it.:rolleyes:

Surf Monkey

08-23-2007, 12:47 PM

But an iPod itself doesn't even run iTunes... nor the iPhone.

They don't? Seems to me that they do run variations of the iTunes software. iPhone in particular.

He didn't prove me wrong at all. His reply actually supported my position.

mani0

09-16-2007, 02:01 PM

I have a set of etymotic ER 6i earplugs that work just great. No modifications, no adapter needed.

Do you have the white ones with the straight jack or the black ones with the angled one?

bradg

09-17-2007, 12:45 AM

Apple has NEVER officially said that iPhone was an iPod. Steve Jobs said it to at the keynote when it was announced and he said it again to a handful of reporters but Apple as a company has been VERY careful not to make that comment part of the official campaign for iPhone. It doesn't appear in print or on any of their Web pages.

then what about this?

http://www.apple.com/iphone/ipod/

DoughBoy

09-17-2007, 10:40 PM

then what about this?

http://www.apple.com/iphone/ipod/

Exactly. That's why you shouldn't trust a typing monkey that surfs. Especially rude, annoying ones like that! lol It HAS been advertised as an iPod and IT IS an iPod. I agree that this is simply one of those "form over function" issues that Apple is famous (or infamous) for. Sometimes it seems as if it's "form at all costs". I'm still in the research phase before (potentially) buying this product and I can already see that I'm likely going to need surgery for my Shure E3C headphones. Grrrrr!

Quillz

09-17-2007, 10:45 PM

Apple should really have bundled a short adapter cable like they did with the iPod shuffle Sports Case (http://www.ilounge.com/index.php/ipod/review/apple-ipod-shuffle-sport-case-ipod/).
I'm pretty sure Apple wants iPhone users to only use the bundled earbuds, which actually aren't that bad, especially as they feature a cool inline control "squeezie thing" that can skip through tracks and adjust volume and answer calls.

DoughBoy

09-17-2007, 11:00 PM

I'm pretty sure Apple wants iPhone users to only use the bundled earbuds, which actually aren't that bad, especially as they feature a cool inline control "squeezie thing" that can skip through tracks and adjust volume and answer calls.

No offense (honestly), but who cares what headphones Apple wants me to use. Many people put good money into vastly superior headphones (some of which can be purchased directly from Apple) and want to continue to enjoy better sound quality.

Quillz

09-18-2007, 01:56 AM

Code Monkey

09-18-2007, 02:31 AM

I meant in relation to why Apple didn't bundle a small headphone adapter. They aren't going to go out of their way to cater to those who don't want to use the stock earbuds, so why are they going to waste resources on bundling adapters?Because there are a LOT of people who spend at least as much on headphones as they do on audio players, emphasis on "at least". And since headphones, barring breakage, retain their value to the consumer longer than audio players, a $0.10 pack-in on Apple's part to not tick off people who own headphones that are worth, often, hundreds of dollars would seem a no-brainer.

As for the general theme of your comment, it's pulled out of thin air anyhow. Apple, both on their website and their stores, go to great lengths to promote other headphones as logical upgrades to the iPod because they make no pretenses that their stock phones are anything but decent enough. Not surprisingly, many of these rather pricey headphones that Apple themselves promotes are borked by the iPhone's odd port choice.

If they can bother to include the, to me, silly dock adapters with every iPod, a iPhone port adapter for other headphones doesn't seem so much to ask.

bobbit

09-18-2007, 03:38 AM

iPhone is a widescreen iPod with touch controls

I want you all to understand what marketing hype is before you bag Surf Monkey or anyone else.

SonyEricsson have phones out called 'Walkman.' This doesn't make them a walkman.
SonyEricsson also have a range of phones that have the 'CyberShot' branding. That does not make them a camera.

They are features built into the phone and given fancy names to assume the weaker minds of those that do not understand marketing hype.

Basically what Apple did is they made a phone. And since all phones now days have the ability to play music in them, they thought 'well hey, lets make completely different software from the original iPods and throw it in an iPhone. This way we'll have a half decent music player in our phone which-all-other-phones-have. And just so people will buy it, we'll say it's got an iPod built right in.'

Marketing hype. Understand it then argue us, please.

Edit: NB: Notice my excessive use of 'phone.' Don't argue about the same software being in the iPod Touch unless you want to make a complete #### of yourself.

Surf Monkey

09-18-2007, 05:02 AM

That's why you shouldn't trust a typing monkey that surfs. Especially rude, annoying ones like that! lol

I love how childish some people get when they encounter someone who disagrees with their carefully constructed world-view.

Check the post above, DoughBoy. You could learn a thing or two about the nature of hype and how it relates to reality.

jhollington

09-18-2007, 09:18 AM

This is turning into a ridiculous semantic argument about what is an iPod (:rolleyes:), but speaking to the headphone issue, my theory is relatively simple...

Apple, in their ever-so-cautious, built-for-the-average-dolt-consumer way (read: paranoid and overprotective), designed the headphone jack differently to keep people from putting in non-standard accessories and hurting themselves or the iPhone.

For example, if the jack had been designed to standard specifications, I wonder how many people would have popped in a three-lead video cable to try and get video output. There's no telling what plugging the microphone connector into a TV video input would do (probably nothing, but you can never be sure with the wide variety of devices out there).

Ensuring that you can only connect a device that is compatible helps to reduce potential support issues. To be honest, I've seen camcorder manufacturers do the same thing with their video cables (although at least they provide the cable :) ).

Further, they would rather push accessories that have a built-in mic, simply because phone calls are going to come in through the headsets, and I can see all sorts of people having problems trying to answer calls and not realizing that the other party can't hear them (although to be fair, the phone mic does work in this scenario, although not very well if the phone is in your pocket).

In short, Apple is assuming that the vast majority of iPhone buyers are dolts. They're not entirely wrong in that assumption, but there it is. It may be a silly point of view, but it's also a typical Apple point of view.

Surf Monkey

09-18-2007, 02:10 PM

Apple, in their ever-so-cautious, built-for-the-average-dolt-consumer way (read: paranoid and overprotective), designed the headphone jack differently to keep people from putting in non-standard accessories and hurting themselves or the iPhone.

That's exactly what I think. iPhone needs headphones that have an inline mic. Using a smaller jack prevents people from using headphones without an inline mic. Simple as that.

giligoulu

09-18-2007, 03:15 PM

Apple should really have bundled a short adapter cable like they did with the iPod shuffle Sports Case (http://www.ilounge.com/index.php/ipod/review/apple-ipod-shuffle-sport-case-ipod/).

For those who are in Canada, I just bought this Shuffle Sportcase from TheSource for $0.99.

Linky (http://www.thesourcecc.com/estore/Product.aspx?language=en-CA&catalog=Online&category=ipod_cases&product=1419542)

So check stores for stock.

deftdrummer1

10-13-2007, 01:58 PM

For those who are in Canada, I just bought this Shuffle Sportcase from TheSource for $0.99.

Linky (http://www.thesourcecc.com/estore/Product.aspx?language=en-CA&catalog=Online&category=ipod_cases&product=1419542)

So check stores for stock.
Of course you agree with the mods surf monkey. You are a lame tool that has nothing better to do with your time than start a ruckus in EVERY thread you post in. If someone disagrees with you, you always make a point to express your headstrong opinion as if nobody's else matters. These forums used to be a nice place to gather and exchange opinions in a civilized manner, but people like you with your staunch overly expressive opinions are making this place a hell hole to visit. I don't think i'm alone here when I say that I dread posting in the forums now for fear that your punk ### might respond. Get a life surf and quit defending the iphone as if it were your fiance.

The bottom line: putting a recessed headphone jack on the iphone was a silly, pointless, money conjuring decision on Apple's part that in no way serves the better interests of its customer bases. It is a hinderance, - and a very unnecessary one at that.

angelo r74

10-14-2007, 12:59 AM

thier r munitple adaptors for it. ultimate ears is coming out with a ear bus for the iphone next month

Surf Monkey

10-14-2007, 05:23 AM

Of course you agree with the mods surf monkey. You are a lame tool that has nothing better to do with your time than start a ruckus in EVERY thread you post in. If someone disagrees with you, you always make a point to express your headstrong opinion as if nobody's else matters. These forums used to be a nice place to gather and exchange opinions in a civilized manner, but people like you with your staunch overly expressive opinions are making this place a hell hole to visit. I don't think i'm alone here when I say that I dread posting in the forums now for fear that your punk ### might respond. Get a life surf and quit defending the iphone as if it were your fiance.

The bottom line: putting a recessed headphone jack on the iphone was a silly, pointless, money conjuring decision on Apple's part that in no way serves the better interests of its customer bases. It is a hinderance, - and a very unnecessary one at that.

Are you off your medication again? On one hand you've slammed me for being too negative towards Apple and on the other you've slammed me for being too positive towards Apple. It's really hard to take you seriously, deftdrummer1, since you obviously don't really read my posts. You just like to get bent at ANYONE who doesn't happen to agree with your viewpoint 100%. Sorry, man. I'm not going to play that game with you. Honestly, I think you're just an attention whore.