View Full Version : Never mind, Australia!
Jackonicko
11-22-2003, 07:55 AM
And congratulations to our boys, who have just won the Rugby World Cup!
Must put 'Swing Low Sweet Chariot' on my iPod.
(For US podders, Rugby is a bit like American Football, but rather more raw, and without the helmets, padding, armour, etc.)
splodgecat
11-22-2003, 08:24 AM
(Jackonicko, u beat me to it!)
For all u England 'loungers.... to our boys...
WELL DONE LADS!!!
GET IN!!!!
:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
yinyang
11-22-2003, 08:28 AM
for an englishman living in australia it was a rather sweet moment, even though my wife reminded me that i am an australian citizen LOL
no feeling beats seeing your home country win a world cup - now beckham and co need to emulate johnson & co (maybe wilkinson should play real football :))
i get to give a lot of stick at work on monday :D
Not being a big sports fan, I caught the last part of the match, then had to sit through the extra time. Have to say it was a very close game and a big up for the Poms!
Seeing one of the players on the podium with his young daughter, and her kissing the cup after her dad did moisten the eyes slightly!!
Well done lads - about time we had something to be proud of...
ToddW
11-22-2003, 11:09 AM
Originally posted by Jackonicko
And congratulations to our boys, who have just won the Rugby World Cup!
Must put 'Swing Low Sweet Chariot' on my iPod.
(For US podders, Rugby is a bit like American Football, but rather more raw, and without the helmets, padding, armour, etc.)
Hey, I've played on the club team at the University I went to. My shoulder still hurts in the mornings from all of that.
Jackonicko
11-22-2003, 02:20 PM
You're a faker Todd W! With your taste in music and rugby playing past you must be at least half Brit!
loGan
11-22-2003, 03:23 PM
Fantastic, waell played the guys and well done for showing all those overpayed wiener footballers how real gentlemen and sportsman play and win.
ToddW
11-22-2003, 03:56 PM
Originally posted by Jackonicko
You're a faker Todd W! With your taste in music and rugby playing past you must be at least half Brit!
Its the bloody Welsh in me Jacko, the bloody Welsh!
Hahahahaha - hey Jackonicko, better watch out mate, seems like you could be outnumbered now boyo!!
m.r.m.
11-22-2003, 04:23 PM
weell, if the footballers can?t ever get anything done, i guess one has to settle for rugby! :p :D
Jackonicko
11-22-2003, 04:28 PM
How true. Though the victory today was not quite as sweet as '66 or the more recent, sweet 5:1 victory against Germany.......
And nowhere near as sweet as stuffing the Welsh at Cardiff Arms Park in days of yore!
I wonder why no-one likes us.....?
LOL!
m.r.m.
11-22-2003, 04:32 PM
Originally posted by Jackonicko
How true. Though the victory today was not quite as sweet as '66 or the more recent, sweet 5:1 victory against Germany.......
*gg* touch? jack, but i?m not german and i?m not a fan of the german national team for that matter. let?s see how you guys do in the next euros. ;)
edit: btw, the '66 game was a sweet game. one of the best i?ve seen. it had everything that makes football great. anther great game was liverpool against alaves in the uefa cup final, which i saw live in dortmund, germany. that was fantastic as well. liverpool fans are really, really nice.
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OK, so here I was at a wedding, when the game starts, almost every guy goes outside into the cars and listens to the radio - very funny. So here I am, Australia just scraping in, on the edge of my seat, then Wilkonson kicks the field goal, game over, everybody in the carpark starts walking back cursing wilkonson, that b*stard.
I really do hate him. England don't have anything apart from him, they don't. They very very rarely score tries, they just can't do it, instead they milk penalties from half of the field away. If you took him away then England would have lost dramatically, if you dispute this then your lost.
I think hate is a strong word to use for something, which at the end of the day, is only a game.
The southern hemisphere has had a fair crack at the world cup, so how about letting us have it for a while. I think the vast majority of people believe the game would have been won by England by fulltime without some dodgy decisions from the ref.
A part of your post was edited due to content.
Thats fine, denial is the easiest method ;)
When a whole country stops for a game, when the streets have no cars on them, when you can hear the neighbourhood cheer when we score a try, is it justice to still call it just a game?
I'm sure if you ask people over there who would have won you got that answer, just as you get a different answer over hear, but the fact still remains England is a one man side - nothing more.
Jackonicko
11-22-2003, 09:04 PM
England scored one try. How many did Australia score, again?
Johnny Wilkinson kicked the rest, just as Flatley (a poor imitation of Johnny) kicked the rest of Australia's points
And as my learned friend points out, without some very dodgy refereeing decisions (and some pretty unsportsmanlike tricks from the Wallabies - like standing up early in the scrum) the points margin would have been very much greater, and indeed, any fair minded observer would allow that a three point lead did not reflect the level of superiority England enjoyed.
Before the World Cup, Australia had won four of its last ten matches, losing to the All Blacks (twice), South Africa, Ireland and England (twice, on 21 June, 25-14 and on 16 November last year, 32-31) whereas England had won nine out of ten of its last ten games - losing only to France (who we beat on two other occasions).
If you think that Wilkinson was the only reason we won, you missed a great gutsy try (whereas yours was a neat, and very well thought out tactical trick) and missed the way in which our pack so dominated play, and the way in which our back three (Robinson, Cohen and Lewsey) operated. It's hardly surprising, if you listened to the game instead of watching it.
Nor should you be angry or ashamed. Australia has a young and relatively inexperienced side (as ours will be in four years time) and draws from a very small pool of talent. In the light of those factors, the Wallabies did exceptionally well in getting to the final. But your pack are lightweight (literally) and your front row are inexperienced, and only Gegan and Larkham and new boy Turqiri (Tucqiri?) showed real flair among your backs. Carping on about 'boring' England and whingeing about Johnny Wilkinson can only make Australians seem less sporting, and can only undermine your side's achievement.
PS: Looks as if the voodoo dolls printed in the local papers and the campaign to keep England's players awake by drumming and sounding car horns outside their hotel were not enough to give you the required edge, but do now look like the actions of people who didn't like the fact that they were about to be beaten by a better team.
You really should give credit where credit is due. Australia can't be good at everything, all of the time, and just as I'd happily concede to your total superiority in Cricket, Tennis and swimming, you should admit that today your country came up against a better rugby team.
Australia can be good at everything, regardless of our population deficiency (19m vs. 50m anybody?). I will admit that we came up against a squad that contained better players, that I will not dispute.
Does there win record have anything to do with anything? I remember when Croatia came out of nowhere to almost win the '98 soccer (football) world cup, they didn't have any good players, they didn't have any noteable victories.
As for watching the game, I did watch most of it on TV, then came back after full time to listen on the radio, I did watch most of the game.
"unsportsmanlike tricks" - I can't believe how much you must be kidding in this statement, I have nothing to say to that.
A better question should be, how many tries has england scored in the whole tournament? You'd probably be able to count them on your hand. Their tactics are to kick, not to score tries, thats not entertaining rugby, not at all.
"a poor imitation" - I'm glad too, I wouldn't, just as he wouldn't, want to imitate that. He isn't as good a kicker as wilks, and as such we lost.
When a game comes down to the boot of one player, can it truly be called a team victory?
Jackonicko
11-22-2003, 10:08 PM
Even if Wilkinson scored every point, the team still have to get him, and the ball, into the position where he can work his magic. England dominated play today, blunting Australias attacks and completely dominating your pack in scrum, ruck, maul and line out. I call it a team victory.
And while there is a population disparity, as you point out, Soccer is our national game, and Rugby is very much a minority sport.
yinyang
11-23-2003, 02:04 AM
england vs australia is almost as hotly contested as LFC vs MUFC LOL the aussies usually win the cricket, rugby (both codes) and recently the football (that was bloody awful), and they have better tennis players and have won the americas cup, so for the english to get one back once in a while is good for the soul, and for australian humilty. as for england just being jonny wilks, every winning team will have at least one individual that is the focus for all their success - geoff hurst in '66, michael owen in the 5-1 drubbing of germany, mark waugh in the cricket, ronaldo for brazil, but if the team do not perform then they themselves stand no chance of shining.
it is easy to gloat when you win, but it is important to be gracious when you lose, no matter how disappointing it may be. australia can always avenge the loss in france 2007.
now england better sort their s*** out for euro 2004 and world cup 2006 :)
I agree, I give it to England, they played a better game, but it still ultimately came down to the boot.
Mark waugh isn't all that good, else is his brother, there are much better players on the squad.
Ronaldo is more of a joke then the rest of the team, I hate brazil with a passion. They don't know how to play soccer, they just milked penalties, it was disgusting at the WC.
As for euro 2004 - go Croatia! They just scraped in!
Jackonicko
11-23-2003, 02:30 PM
Brazil don't know how to play soccer?
Tell that to Pele..........
loGan
11-23-2003, 04:27 PM
I love a bad loser....so I am forced to say it again LOOOOOOOOOSER.
The vicotry was all the more enjoyable after the over the top pommie bashing by the aussie press. As for the issue of tries which seems to have been brought up ratehr a lot recently by bad losers.
Take a look at the last 10 games that Australia have played and the last 10 that England have played and count the tries. I wonder who scored more? I'll give you a clue, it wasn't Australia. Remember the last time we played? We spanked you that time too, remeber the try count then? I thought not.
No one likes a whinging aussie. Be gracious in defeat.
I said England played better, what more must I say to not be labled a whinger now ;)
Jackonicko
11-23-2003, 08:44 PM
Well desisting from the accusations of 'boring', OVER reliance on Wilkinson's boot, etc. would help.
But at the end of the day it was a superb sporting event, and (though it sticks in my throat to say so) even the biased refereeing helped, because it helped even the contest up a bit.
And I believe that the hospitality extended to England fans post match was everything you'd expect from the Aussies at their best, and far from what pre-match grizzling might have led one to predict.
loGan
11-24-2003, 05:44 AM
In a moment of graciousness I must add that I have throughly enjoyed the entire tournament and Australia have shown yet again that when it comes to hosting a sporting event they do it better than anyone in the world.
Indeed, thats what matters in the end :P
The olympics, now this? If the world cup (soccer) is here, my life is complete.
Jackonicko
11-24-2003, 06:13 AM
Yes indeed. Not up to England's standards at Rugby, but as fireworks party organisers......
Just teasing!
Aspect
11-24-2003, 08:32 AM
ENGLAND RULE!! AUSSIES SUCK!!! HAHAHAHAHHAHAHA!!! *BASKS IN GLORY* :D
Jackonicko
11-24-2003, 09:21 AM
"When I lived in the UK nobody was interested in Rugby Union, the national game was football. Have things changed?" No, it's still minority interest by comparison with football, but there has been more focus on Rugby for some years (about ten).
"Do all the Poms now send their kids to Public Schools?" No, but it has always been a Grammar sport, and more comprehensives are taking it up.
"Or is this some desperate attempt to find a national team that can win, and any team and any sport will do as long as we can win at it?" There's an element of that, of course - any nation will become more interested in a sport it does well in, and soccer in the USA received a stimulus after its surprising success in the World Cup. But British (and English) interest in Rugby pre-dates the national team's success. On a local level, the success of professionalising the game has reaped dividends for teams like Bath, Leicester and Wasps, and the disapperance of football from Terrestrial TV left a gap partly filled by Rugby coverage.
jrandyc
11-24-2003, 10:41 AM
Adam, adam..... you've made my morning with your classicly predictable and ungracious ozzie reaction to defeat by an unquestionably better side. Oh, and it's not a 'field goal' u monkey.. wrong sport... why can't you show some of the grace that ozzie players have shown in their post-match reactions.
loGan
11-24-2003, 11:20 AM
I'm a Pom living in Australia, but I don't understand. When I lived in the UK nobody was interested in Rugby Union, the national game was football. Have things changed? Do all the Poms now send their kids to Public Schools? Or is this some desperate attempt to find a national team that can win, and any team and any sport will do as long as we can win at it?
Now I'm living in Oz, and here the national game is Aussie Rules. Rugby Union is just a fringe sport with a participation rate a bit less than cane toad racing. I've only ever met one Australian who's ever played the game, so why does anybody care?
The profile of Rugby Union and League has risen considerably in the past few years though as someone who used to play rugby at public school maybe I am biased. Professionalism was the start and the success of the 6 nations tournament must also have played its part.
Rugby league has helped too and the cross over of players between the two codes, it may be a generalisation but rugby league has been perceived more as the code of the working classes whereas union was as you say an amateur game for grammar, public school and university educated children; now these distinctions are not so clear and as players cross codes I hope the fans do too.
The only thing I do not want to see is some of the ignorant chimp faced thugs whose idea of fun is going to a footy game for a skinfull and a punchup deciding now that they want to come and watch rugby. Rugby fans have always been smart enough and sporting enough to sit together at games and be gracious and humorous in victory and defeat. It is and will always remain a game where the players and fans can go for a drink together after the game.
I am suprised when you say that noone cares about rugby in Oz because thats not the impression that I have ever had when down under.
At least in Australia, we tend to 'go with the flow'. Its not that we are going to start watching rugby, but when an event like this comes along, then the whole country stops. Like the paralympics I went to, nobody really cared, but the stadiums were packed full of cheering people, we do know how to spectate better then anybody in the world, and that can't at all be argued.
Come on, who else in the world goes for the underdog 99% of the time?
Jackonicko
11-24-2003, 07:44 PM
Granted. And you blokes know how to enjoy yourselves. And how to throw a party. And, individually, how to be really great top-notch blokes, even if you're a bit much en masse ........
No way, the kiwis were the hot favourites, lets face it, up until that game Aussies performance was, well, you know.
Fundex
11-26-2003, 02:49 AM
Just remember we've had it twice.
Aspect
11-26-2003, 05:58 AM
Just remember , WE WON!!! HAHAHAHAHAHHAH!!
loGan
11-26-2003, 06:55 AM
4 more years of ribbing aussies, oh thank you god. Life doesn't get any sweeter than this.
m.r.m.
11-27-2003, 08:17 AM
**NAME CHANGE**
The Wallabies will be changed to the Tampons, as they are only good
for a short period and have no second string!
;)
Aspect
11-27-2003, 05:16 PM
LOL , nice one m.r.m :D
Originally posted by m.r.m.
**NAME CHANGE**
The Wallabies will be changed to the Tampons, as they are only good
for a short period and have no second string!
;)
Thats very weak and uncalled for. Get a bit of maturity, humour is good, but not if its derogatory.
Jackonicko
11-27-2003, 10:53 PM
argh! I hate to agree, but .............
Bet Cate and Ginalee wouldn't find your 'humor' quite so funny, MRM. I think you've been in Germany too long........ (I know it's all a bit slapstick/lavatorial over there)!
loGan
11-28-2003, 10:07 AM
Thats very weak and uncalled for. Get a bit of maturity, humour is good, but not if its derogatory.
What did you lose your sense of humour as well as the world cup?
Oh look, more humour here!
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Jackonicko
11-28-2003, 01:01 PM
It's ok to laugh at Aussies, but tampax jokes are a bit off colour.
PMT jokes, on the other hand.....
Q: (asked reasonably) How many women with PMT does it take to change a light bulb?
A: (slightly brusque) Seventeen.
Q: (puzzled but still polite and reasonable) Seventeen? Why?
A: (very angry and unreasonable) It just f***ing does, alright?
Well, if the tampax joke is off limits, my hockey goalie joke doesn't stand a chance....
They probably don't play too much hockey in Australia anyway.
loGan
11-29-2003, 09:07 AM
What on earth is wrong with a jam rag joke?
olimorgan
12-03-2003, 02:14 PM
yeh all its says not to discuss is politics, religion and personal gaming platforms..... nothing about tampax jokes
loGan
12-04-2003, 06:54 AM
Some men get squeamish about the female anatomy and menstrual cycle.
Scientific research has proved without doubt that in most cases these men are Australian or virgins or both :P