MTV = Musical Injustice

[Capital R]

So I watched the 2005 MTV VMA's recently, and Greenday cleaned house. I believe they won all 8 awards for which they were nominated. Now, I know that Greenday has been around for a long time and they can be called the only "real" punk band around since they have political tones in their music, but I feel they only won because they are Greenday. Don't get me wrong, I like Greenday, but I mean, their videos for "American Idiot" and "Boulevard of Broken Dreams" went head-to-head with My Chemical Romance's "Helena", which I thought was a much better song and video. I mean if you just watch the video for it compared to "American Idiot"'s video filled with green slime and "BoBD"'s video with the band walking down a street. you can totally tell that "Helena" is the superior video; and, it is a much better song. My Chemical Romance should have won at least one award. The voters seem to be completely oblivious to good music and such and have been consumed by the mainstream. But this is only one thing MTV has done wrong.

It's ridiculous how MTV has changed from a great channel filled with great music, to a mainstream channel which is pretty much biased against rock music. Sure, they show a couple rock videos, but it's just not the same MTV. When MTV2 came into play, it was supposed to showcase more rock, but like it's original counterpart, it is now infested with anti-rock bias. It's just disappointing to see good music get the boot because of "popular" music.

I know everyone has their opinion of good music, and I respect that. This is just my opinion. They have a couple good shows now and then, but the music part of MTV has been consumed by the mainstream.

I guess what I'm trying to say is: I hate MTV, and all that it now stands for. Long live FUSE and VH1.

[neb]

MTV2 is great, particuarly the Gonzo show with Zane Lowe. They showcase new music and play artisits that no other channel could get away with showing, excet maybe The Amp.

I've watched parts of the VMAs, and the best part about the show is the live performances. Although, after Kanye's Grammy incident, it's clear that the award winners are going to be performing as well; meaning you know who's going to win before it's happened.

Remember that you could be partisan, and not listen to what MTV are saying.

[Adam]

If you wish to find good music, you will not find it on the radio/TV. Full stop.

Fair enough their are exceptions, but there is so much out there to be found.

[Sypher]

<--- Agrees with neb. MTV2 plays good music, mostly.
The same can't really be said for MTV Base sadly.. although I once remember them doing a top 50 conscious hip hop songs or something like that.. I was in shock.

[papayaninja]

VH1 Mega Hits was the best music station ever, so of course, it was replaced with Logo. w00t! :rolleyes:

[neb]

I thought MTV own VH1? They're bundled together in the way that they show the same programs, like Cribs and the VMAs. You can access VH1 interactive whilst on an MTV channel...

[n3tfury]

MTV has sucked since the early nineties. full stop.

[Maxman]

Quoted from Lewis Black-- "MTV is to music as KFC is to chicken". I always love that quote. As far as MTV 2 I used to watch it when I liked that kind of music.

[n3tfury]

MTV was synonymous with music. now they're synonymous with everything but.

Originally posted by Maxman
As far as MTV 2 I used to watch it when I liked that kind of music.

..and what kind of music would that be?

[ginalee]

mtv has become like the music industry - corrupted and extremely biased, watching the channel these days has become a thing of impossibility unless you want to be harrassed by their inane ads

[WanderingSoul]

This thread reeks of irony. My Chemical Romance not mainstream? Are you kidding me? They purposely sold out to become mainstream. They didn't even beat around the bush, they told everyone they would do everything possible to become popular. They toured with The Used, how is that not popular/mainstream?

And Green Day being the only "real" punk band? Again, time to turn off the TV. Green Day is far from a real punk band.

[Maxman]

..and what kind of music would that be?

Alternative rock, mainstream stuff, etc.

Oh wait, I meant MTV Hits.

[iMacc]

Originally posted by neb
MTV2 is great, particuarly the Gonzo show with Zane Lowe. They showcase new music and play artisits that no other channel could get away with showing

Best show on UK television.

[Capital R]

Originally posted by WanderingSoul
This thread reeks of irony. My Chemical Romance not mainstream? Are you kidding me? They purposely sold out to become mainstream. They didn't even beat around the bush, they told everyone they would do everything possible to become popular. They toured with The Used, how is that not popular/mainstream?

And Green Day being the only "real" punk band? Again, time to turn off the TV. Green Day is far from a real punk band.

Good points. I suppose I didn't articulate my thoughts well enough. Those statements were relative to everything mainstream, so MCR definitely couldn't be considered as mainstream as GreenDay. I think that because at my High School (since HS students and people around that age group make up most of the MTV/Mainstream Fan Base) many many people haven't heard of MCR, but have at least a couple songs by Greenday in their collection. Yes, MCR is selling out to become mainstream, but I don't know that they could achieve that with other, bigger sell out groups out there such as Greenday.

And that "Greenday = only "real" punk band statment is in relation to how the "real" punk ideal was: rebellion and such against government and policy. "Real" punk is almost dead/has died, and in its place are bands like Blink-182.

[papayaninja]

A few things.

1. What's wrong with KFC?

2. ginalee, is supraliminal really a word?

3. I'd rather have MCR be popular than have rap be popular. I <3 Rock!

4. Green Day is indeed more punk than Blink 182, Good Charlotte, Simple Plan, etc. Sadly, GD have become far less punk than they used to be, probably because of the temptation of radio play following Good Riddance (Time Of Your Life).

5. MTV and VH1 are indeed owned by the same company. That company is Viacom which also owns CBS, UPN, Nickelodeon, Comedy Central, Spike TV, CMT (Country Music Television), TV Land, BET, Showtime, Logo, The Sundance Channel, and all branches of those (i.e. MTV2, Nick at Nite, Noggin...).
They also own Simon And Schuster (book publisher), Paramount Studios (Which currently brings us such instant classics as 50 Cent's Get Rich Or Die Trying), Infinity Broadcasting (radio company which owns 178 stations in the US and holds exclusive rights to various sports franchises includng the New York Yankees), Famous Music (owner of copyrights to music of The Godfather, Forrest Gump, and Titanic, as well as artists such as Eminem, Modest Mouse, Jet, Bjork and Duke Ellington.)

I'm finished now.

[WhereEaglesDare]

I remember when MTV was pretty much all rock, and had many "controversial" videos, and it was a place to go, to watch new music videos, and find new music... Nowadays, MTV is filled with pop, r+b, and hip-hop. Like Capital R said, everyone has their own taste in music, but they don't do a good job with variety... And, MTV barely shows music videos anymore, except for late at night, TRL, or their hip-hop shoes, it's just reality shows, documentaries, "comedy shows", etc... Sadly, my cable company only currently offers MTV and VH1, but when we switch to Dish TV or Direct TV, Fuse will be my main source of music videos, at least they play some good bands...

[WanderingSoul]

Originally posted by Capital R
Those statements were relative to everything mainstream, so MCR definitely couldn't be considered as mainstream as GreenDay. I think that because at my High School (since HS students and people around that age group make up most of the MTV/Mainstream Fan Base) many many people haven't heard of MCR

Actually, MTV mainstream is mostly middle school/early high school. By late high school, or about the age of 18/19, most kids, specifically girls, grow out of their "teen bopper" phase and start listening to real music.


Here's an example from an article on MTV.com:
http://www.mtv.com/bands/b/boy_bands/050207/
"The new boy bands are more likely to resemble Good Charlotte, My Chemical Romance, Sum 41, Simple Plan or Dashboard Confessional, with a bigger emphasis on originality and realness than matching threads and hot dance moves"


Though they aren't mainstream by your standards, they are to a bunch of 16 year olds who consider them punk and who have probably never heard of Green Day.

Of course, I find the whole "originality and realness" part of that quote laughable for most of the bands in that quote.

[iMacc]

Originally posted by papayaninja
2. ginalee, is supraliminal really a word?




Apparently so:


Supraliminal
Function: adjective
1 : existing above the threshold of consciousness
2 : adequate to evoke a response or induce a sensation <a supraliminal stimulus>

[n3tfury]

Originally posted by papayaninja


1. What's wrong with KFC?



look at your average American.

[papayaninja]

Okay, America is fat. I'm fat, I'll admit it. I weigh about 230 lbs. I'm 6' 5" tall. So I'm fat, perhaps even obese, and I haven't been to KFC in probably 3-4 years. My being fat is not KFC's fault, it's mine. According to KFC.com, there were 600 franchised KFCs in 1964. We weren't all fat then. In addition, KFC is available in "more than 80 countries and territories". People in those 80 countries and territories aren't all fat are they?

Congrats on a thousand posts, n3tfury.

[n3tfury]

Originally posted by papayaninja
Okay, America is fat. I'm fat, I'll admit it. I weigh about 230 lbs. I'm 6' 5" tall. So I'm fat, perhaps even obese, and I haven't been to KFC in probably 3-4 years. My being fat is not KFC's fault, it's mine. According to KFC.com, there were 600 franchised KFCs in 1964. We weren't all fat then. In addition, KFC is available in "more than 80 countries and territories". People in those 80 countries and territories aren't all fat are they?

Congrats on a thousand posts, n3tfury.

hey, the Brits are catching up, no worries.

Sure it's not KFC's fault completely, but back in '64 people were MUCH more active and actually did things outside instead of watching the tube or sitting at the pc all day.

obesity is an epidemic.

[NiTRO]

Green Day have long-ago abandoned the concept of being a punk band. Sure they mainain some of the musical influence but they are embracing their success as a popular rock band. After selling as many records as they have it would be pretty impossible/hypocritical to maintain a truly punk lifestyle all while being one of the biggest acts in the land. You can have either one but not both.

As far as Mtv goes. It's all about volume and dollars. It has nothing to do with which actual song or video is 'clearly' the best. The music/video industry is about majority, ratings, and money. Ideally it could be otherwise but for the big money station (the orignial MTV) they'll go after the mighty dollar every time, afterall it is a business. Mtv2, VH-1, and other will have more freedom to experiment and chase other markets because they are 2nd priority. Believe me I hate the garbage that Mtv plays/markets but that's reality. I just go to launch, Mtv.com or Comcast On-Demand, to check out videos I want to see when I want to see them.

[Annihil8or]

It is quite comical to see Green Day described as "punk rock" as well as the fact that someone thinks that MCR isn't mainstream. due to green day's popularity they are essentially the antithesis of what punk rock stands for. I have a little sister who is 13 and when I went home a few weeks ago the only crap she listens to is these bands like MCR, the bravery, and all the other bands in this trendy pop rock genre.

MTV def doesn't have a very good grip on what good music is, and they haven't for a long time. I'd like to see some bands like Memento, Depswa, or Ra mentioned on tv. I've been listening to Ra for 2 years and their second cd is amazing. actual content with musical ability, unlike most of the successful bands on tv that have zero skill with their instruments.

[Capital R]

Originally posted by Annihil8or
It is quite comical to see Green Day described as "punk rock" as well as the fact that someone thinks that MCR isn't mainstream. due to green day's popularity they are essentially the antithesis of what punk rock stands for. I have a little sister who is 13 and when I went home a few weeks ago the only crap she listens to is these bands like MCR, the bravery, and all the other bands in this trendy pop rock genre.

MTV def doesn't have a very good grip on what good music is, and they haven't for a long time. I'd like to see some bands like Memento, Depswa, or Ra mentioned on tv. I've been listening to Ra for 2 years and their second cd is amazing. actual content with musical ability, unlike most of the successful bands on tv that have zero skill with their instruments.

I'll agree with that. After all, MTV stands for MUSIC Television, but that essential part of MTV is horrible. They show more "reality shows" and whatnot than they do anything related to music, which is disappointing but not surprising. I wish they could embrace better rock such as Demon Hunter, Opeth, and Killswitch Engage, but it will never happen, and I guess I'm thankful for that.

[neb]

It's hardly suprising that the suggestions about what should be on MTV are not the same. MTV have to choose a safe schedule, as to not alienate much of the demographic. Granted there are still going to be people that are unhappy, but you can't please everyone. right?

Fortunately for MTV there are enough suckers that want to know how many gold taps some Football player has in his garage, so they'll keep pumping out crap (Parallel with NO there :)). It seems loads of people want to know about The Fabulous Life of....

[raine]

Musical TraVesty. That's what MTV stands for, you silly kids. MTV ticks me off so bad. Like the liberal news coverage during the hurricane. I'm not blaming politics, I'm blaming the media for distorting everything, which it does do. I mean, Radiohead won a Grammy in '97 and got nominated in '98. For an EP, mind you. Thus, '98 was the last year music media was even anywhere close to legit. MTV has become a regular like, well, I don't even know, but you aren't going to find anything cool on MTV, Fuse, VH1 or anything else. Green Day is not punk rock. I've never heard MCR's music and I don't want to. I don't like punk or emo or hardcore or any of that genre at all. Nobody respects indie for what it is. Not in the big world, at least. And indie kids get mad when an album gets popular enough to get like 10,000+ sales, which makes The Arcade Fire pop, even though it wholly embodies indie sound. Duh. Same goes for The Walkmen, Modest Mouse (well, they are pop), Franz Ferdinand (PAYOLA!), The Shins, Broken Social Scene (Who is legitimately indie and AMAZING) and several hundred other bands, yet if they get enough sales, they're part of the pop hype machine and no longer cool. Any band signed to a major label is accused of selling out (Modest Mouse, Trail of Dead, whatever, the list goes on and on) and the stuck up indie snobs become too cool to listen to them anymore. Well, I listen to what I think sounds good, and if Bloc Party is super popular and it's not cool to listen to them, I don't care. I guess I still have some severely indie bands, like Clap Your Hands Say Yeah!, Sufjan Stevens and some others, but I only listen to them because I like them, not because of what label they're signed to. By the way, I like Grandaddy's label best, V2, because they have the most of my favorite indie bands. Okay. MTV sucks and is a musical travesty, and I hope my little bold text thing works.

[papayaninja]

Amen, Raine. Amen. By the way, good job with the bold ;)

[blue_mini69]

wow...well, I watch mtv2 more, just because, its the only international music I have, we have like, 8 local music channels here at home.

[IlIlIlIlIl]

i actually enjoy shows like Cribs and Pimp My Ride

[melsmusic]

Originally posted by n3tfury
hey, the Brits are catching up, no worries.

Sure it's not KFC's fault completely, but back in '64 people were MUCH more active and actually did things outside instead of watching the tube or sitting at the pc all day.

obesity is an epidemic.

Yep starting to be a problem here in OZ too. I don't eat any of this fast food crap anyway, except on holidays when we are away and the fast food joints have taken over and there is nothing else to get. It's full of I don't know what :(

[btlaxripper]

MTV sucks, Green Day is supposed to be political because they diss America? Give me a break. I read an article which had an interview with the creator of MTV, and he said something about how it's purpose is to grasp a neglected demographic, popularize it, and infuse it with as much advertising as possible (after all, it's there to make money).

(now for the offtopic part)
I stray away from fast food, bite into a McDonald's 1/4 pounder and just watch the grease drip out of it... disgusting

[gizmo3x]

MTV ticks me off so bad.

I agree that MTV totally sucks, but what I don't understand is why everyone gets all crazy over stuff like this! If you don't like it, don't watch it. Its that easy. We all know what kind of music MTV plays and what kind of audience it caters to. MTV is part of a large corporation and exists to make money. That is the bottom line. MTV plays popular music because it is popular and therefore pulls in more viewers. Its a TV station, not some glorified college radio station that can afford to play music a small minority of people find pleasing. As for playing less music, yes thats true but I think it probably draws in alot more of the target audience that MTV is looking for than straight up videos all day would. Once again, personally I don't like the shows on MTV or 95% of the music but I'm not in the group of viewers the MTV caters to either.

Also, people love to talk about the glory days of MTV like the station had some kind of credibility back in the day. I don't recall the early MTV as being an better than it is now. Its not like they were pumping out "indie" videos like crazy or anything... I remember alot of popular crap like Flock of Seagulls and whatnot when it was first on the scene! Sure they played more videos, but its not like it was higher quality music, it was just that a different type of music was popular back then.

And indie kids get mad when an album gets popular enough to get like 10,000+ sales, which makes The Arcade Fire pop, even though it wholly embodies indie sound

Just as an aside here, personally when I think of "indie" music, I think of independant bands that arn't signed to a major label. So technicly I wouldn't view Arcade Fire as indie music either. How I look at it is for example, Nirvana was an alternative indie band before they were signed, and then why they got on a label they were just alternative. I don't think it was bad they were not longer an indie band, it doesn't make any difference to me as long as the music is still good.

Any band signed to a major label is accused of selling out (Modest Mouse, Trail of Dead, whatever, the list goes on and on) and the stuck up indie snobs become too cool to listen to them anymore.

I agree with people who say those kind of bands are no longer indie bands but its crazy that a person would stop listening to a ban d they previously liked just because they got signed and/or have a larger fanbase.

I like them, not because of what label they're signed to. Yeah, I think thats what I'm trying to say too.. LOL. We just have a different way of getting there!

Anywho, I think what I'm trying to say with this ramble is that people need to stop worrying about how other people like their music and just follow their own tastes. If you don't like MTV, why does it matter to you if others do? It doesn't degrade what you like at all and you don't have to watch it. And if you like bands that indie kids don't respect anymore, what bearing does it have on your opinion? You can still listen to it and the others can find a less known band to suit their tastes. Go with what you like and let others do the same!

[raine]

Because MTV is dictating pop music along with Clearchannel and major labels. They aren't just playing it. Audiences are getting dumbed down because the bigwigs think that audiences are dumber than they really are. Same goes for most movies these days. Clever movies are few and far between. Normally I wouldn't care, but this is just out of hand. People are getting screwed into listening to the exact same thing because that's all there is everywhere. Thank you, The OC for having cool music. Thank you, Gilmore Girls, for having characters that like music that's outside of the mainstream. It frusturates me that people don't get much of a choice; people that listen to the radio or watch MTV/VH1 or whatever are told what is good, but don't find out for themselves. People don't know what they really like. I highly doubt that most bands would be as popular as they are today if radio played a true variety of music. I stopped listening to the radio over a year ago. And the over indie kids? Well, that's kind of dumb, but I still respect them anyway, I just think they're idiots.

Indie for me is a sound as well as a definition. There are bands that have that indie sound but are on like, Saturn commercials and stuff, and then there are bands that are strictly indie but don't necessarily have that same vibe musically. Clap Your Hands Say Yeah! is going to break the 10,000 sales mark, most likely, but they aren't even signed. Maybe they already have. Does that make them pop music? That's my question. Because they are truly independent, no doubt there. And Nirvana was never indie for me, because they were both popular and their sound was different. It was grunge. It was too far removed from any part of the indie genre to stay part of it once we all heard "Smells Like Teen Spirit" too much. But Modest Mouse is still indie for me.

[gizmo3x]

It frusturates me that people don't get much of a choice; people that listen to the radio or watch MTV/VH1 or whatever are told what is good, but don't find out for themselves. People don't know what they really like.

I think you need to have a little more faith in people. I don't think its that people don't know what they really like, its just that not everyone likes the same thing that you and I might enjoy. I don't think people who like MTV or mainstream music are brainwashed into that kind of persuasion or listen to it because it's their only choice. There are alot of people who like popular music not because they are told to but because they enjoy it. I would assume most of the people who frequent these forums are serious music fans. Not everyone is like that. Alot of people arn't huge music fans, they listen to what they like and don't think about it any further. They put on a Destiny's Child CD, get their groove on and have a good time. They enjoy the music and thats what matters. This type of listener has plenty of options to find other kinds of music through lots of sources like streaming internet feeds, satallite radio, free legal downloads, college radio stations, and loads of other options. There are tons of places other than mainstream sources to find music but many choose not to. People arn't forced into listening to the mainstream but alot of them want to.

I think as iPod owners we forget this alot of the time. Not everyone spends hundreds of dollars on a device that will enable them to carry around their favorite bands and songs and at the same time avoid having to listen to mainstream media sources. You have to admit, to alot of people that sounds a little hardcore. My friends and I all are exteremly into music (alot of it obscure) and I wouldn't have it any other way but I also wouldn't look down upon anyone who doesn't hold that same interest.

Indie for me is a sound as well as a definition.

This is a debate that can around and around. I think its a genre that can be defined both ways. There's an old thread floating around on the boards somewhere that is pages long debating this. I think what you would call indie is the sound that I call alternative. I'm not sure why, haha, but I do! Like Modest Mouse you mentioned, I would totally call that alternative, in fact I have it labeled that way in my iTunes... And as for the Nirvana example, I look at the old stuff like the "Bleach" album and the b-sides before that indie and everything after that starting with "Nevermind" alternative (or yeah, grunge would work too!).

Clap Your Hands Say Yeah! is going to break the 10,000 sales mark, most likely, but they aren't even signed. Maybe they already have. Does that make them pop music?

I think I might have explained myself badly. All I think of indie music as is a band that is not on a major label. In my crazy little world, if a band sells like 10,000 or a gillion copies or whatever and are still unsigned then they would still be indie. And when a band gets signed they don't automaticly become pop in my mind, their just no longer an indie band. In my mind even a country band could be an indie act. Like if an imaginary country band called "Twangy McGees" was unsigned they'd be an indie country band, but when they got on a label like Geffen or whatever they would just be a country band.

I hope you don't think I'm saying the way you catagorize indie music is wrong, its just different from the way I see it...

[raine]

I don't think you're wrong at all, I just think we disagree and that's cool. I have a lot of friends that only listen to pop and are pretty close-minded about non-pop, but I bust it out to Britney Spears every now and then too. Heck, sometimes I love a great radio hit, and I think Toxic and Since U Been Gone are great songs. I don't know if you are still in high school, but considering nearly every student wants and iPod if he/she doesn't have one (and me and my friends were the first, we were the iPod kids for about the first 3 months of our junior year) is jealous, a lot want the convenience we've all got. I'd still listen to the radio if I didn't hear the same songs every 2 hours. Radio was once my main source for music, before radio went to completely listener-friendly. Supposedley. A station in Vermont, 99.9 the Buzz, played a ton of really great numbers. They played a bunch of obscure compilations (Drugstore and Thom Yorke? Yep.), indie bands when they weren't as big (Elbow, Doves, Interpol, Hot Hot Heat, just a ton of great stuff) and people often voted these bands up quite high on their year-end list (Top 99 of whatever year). I don't know if those lists are still on their site, but if people hear these great songs (PDA is amazing) they'll be able to appreciate what we music geeks are searching for. I actually have a lot of faith in the public, but most don't know where to look. The only reason I do is because of Enjoilax and Ateaseweb.com, where they had a link posted to Pitchforkmedia's review of Radiohead's Com Lag EP. Turns out Pitchfork is a major force in the indie community. But because I'm in high school, I get to see what kids are listening to. And a lot just listen to the radio because they don't know what else is out there. I used to be exactly the same. Kids would be like, "No, I don't listen to the radio." And I'd be like, What? How is that even possible? I didn't know there was music out of the radio, and a lot of kids are like that. And that's fine as long as the radio plays more than a few hundred of the same songs from a core of about 50 bands, sometimes venturing out. I usually have no idea who the latest and greatest is in pop. I'll be talking to a peer and they'll have some annoying song stuck in my head, and she'll sing it to me, and I'll be like, Who? I haven't heard it. But I used to bash kids for their music, but those are days gone by. Now I just bash the sources for music. Major labels, Clearchannel, MTV/VH1. Not the kids themselves.

My question about Clap Your Hands Say Yeah! was rhetorical. Like, the hardcore indie community should be answering it, not any one user. Because somebody told me The Arcade Fire was pop, and pop for me is radio play, hit single, that sort of stuff. And I've looked around to see if any station besides that big famous indie station in California (KCRW? Maybe? I dunno, they picked up Radiohead first in America) and college stations have played Rebellion (Lies), but nobody cares about a great song from a great band because of their small label and fear of listeners hating the song. Merge isn't exactly a big label, is it? I figure the big conteders are Universal, Sony BMG (Aren't they one label?), Capitol/EMI, and Warner. I have no idea who is signed to Warner. Matador, V2, Domino, Sub-Pop, those ones, and then the smaller labels. My favorite is signed to Parlaphone/EMI/Captiol, so phooey on me for liking smaller labels, but my favorite is V2. So I guess I'm not really an indie kid if I have a favorite label, but I do. Well, now I'm rambling. Actually, I was just on Wikipedia looking up indie stuff, and that's a pretty good definition for me. I guess I can still be an indie kid. I guess a true indie label would be Sufjan Steven's Asthmatic Kitty. I'm pretty sure that's his label.

[gizmo3x]

Agreeing to disagree is cool in my book! And to anwser to your question, I'm not in high school anymore, I'm a sad twentysomething with no clue how popular iPods with that age group. ;) I seriously doubt they are around here, I'm up in a really rural area... I'd never even seen an iPod in person before I got one (not even at college!)! But that being said, we've got a few sources for more obscure music even though I'm in the sticks. There are a bunch of colleges that are a 45 minute drive from here so you can pick up those stations... and suprisingly you can pick up the nearest alternative station thats 3 hours away on a clear day! haha

I can share your clearchannel annoyance though.. they dominate the radio stations up here too! They bought out the only rock/alternative station we had and turned it into a top 40 station... That was pretty craptastic for me... We only have one other pop station though so I guess most people were pretty happy about it.

Maybe I'm not all anti-MTV because its not really as readily available up here either... You can't get cable TV in my hometown so unless you have a dish, which I do, your not going to see it. And on the dish you have fuse/MTV2/VH1 Classic which is a little better, so at least you have a few choices.

Umm.. I think I'm rambling too... LOL.

[raine]

Yeah, MTV2, they had those 2 Dollar Bill shows, right? Well I dunno, I just remember watching Radiohead on one. But I was reading about Clearchannel on Wikipedia, and it's pretty fascinating stuff. It made me hate them more. I want to know what stations they own in my area. Because I write for my school newspaper, and I got lucky enough to write two Op/Ed pieces, so one is about payola and Clearchannel dominating the radio.

Today I was driving my friends home and we were listening to "Since U Been Gone" by Kelly Clarkson, and we were like, "This is a cool song!" Probably because we haven't heard it too much due to radio overplay. Because it is good, but I think if I still listened to radio I'd want to kill it. Instead I'm like, "SINCE YOU BEEN GONE! I CAN'T BREATH FOR THE FIRST TIME! I FORGOT THE WORDS, YAH YAH!" So great.

[gizmo3x]

Yeah, 2 dollar bill was cool... MTV2 used to be mad cool until recently when the changed the format quite a bit. I remember it when it first launched and I saw Sepultura's Ratamhata video followed by Sober by Tool and I my jaw dropped from the coolness... Not like that anymore, but they have been playing the new NIN video like crazy which is awesome!

Haha.. that's hillarious. I feel the same why about hit music now that I have an iPod. Now that I'm inandated with it 24/7 I get a kick out of some it... Bombastic Love by Brittney Spears... freakin hillarious!

[papayaninja]

That NIN video is really cool, but I'm not a hude NIN fan...

I wish The Buzz still played good music :( Now they play some good stuff, but mostly Blink 182 and Simple Plan and stuff.

It's funny though, because I watch a lot of MTV and still despise most of it. But I'm far more knowledgable about music than most people at my school because most of them either don't know who Simple Plan are or don't know who Bob Dylan is. I know both. So, while MTV isn't the best, they still are interesting...

[gizmo3x]

I've never heard of The Buzz... is it a show on MTV or a different station?

[morning_glory]

Originally posted by Capital R
So I watched the 2005 MTV VMA's recently, and Greenday cleaned house. I believe they won all 8 awards for which they were nominated. Now, I know that Greenday has been around for a long time and they can be called the only "real" punk band around since they have political tones in their music, but I feel they only won because they are Greenday. Don't get me wrong, I like Greenday, but I mean, their videos for "American Idiot" and "Boulevard of Broken Dreams" went head-to-head with My Chemical Romance's "Helena", which I thought was a much better song and video. I mean if you just watch the video for it compared to "American Idiot"'s video filled with green slime and "BoBD"'s video with the band walking down a street. you can totally tell that "Helena" is the superior video; and, it is a much better song. My Chemical Romance should have won at least one award. The voters seem to be completely oblivious to good music and such and have been consumed by the mainstream. But this is only one thing MTV has done wrong.

While I agree with you that some bands were snubbed, can we give MTv a little break here, it's not their fault they killed punk (thank you very much for whoring out Blink 182 and Good Charlotte, while I've never heard them talk about... actually, I don't think I've ever seen MTv talk about a band that was actual punk. But I regress... "Helena was an incredible video, and definetley got the point across, which I think Green Day missed. The album is titled American Idiot for f--ks sake. But tell that to anyone who is a blind Bush supporter, yet they can't stop singing the song.

It's ridiculous how MTV has changed from a great channel filled with great music, to a mainstream channel which is pretty much biased against rock music. Sure, they show a couple rock videos, but it's just not the same MTV. When MTV2 came into play, it was supposed to showcase more rock, but like it's original counterpart, it is now infested with anti-rock bias. It's just disappointing to see good music get the boot because of "popular" music.

I think MTv has always been mainstream. The dfference is, MTv shapes the mainstream, and when Kurt Cobain died, so did Rock as we knew it. After Kurt's death. where was the big new thing? Snoop Dog. And when MTv played, and played, and played... and played his songs over and over again, rap caught on. Then came the god awful Boy Bands to #### on Rock's grave. When we saw a British resurgance (Oasis, Blur, Pulp), in which many bands were ocming into their own in the late 90's, we thought it was back- then they baught on Sum 41, Simple Plan, Blink 182... need I go on? These were the band's that threw the flaming bag of dog crap on Rock's grave once the Boy Band #### dried up. Even as we see another British resurgance (Coldplay, Franz Ferdinand, etc.) it seems that the occasional hit is all we have. Now Rap has completely taken over. However, I can take 2Pac, B.I.G., Public Enemy, etc. What I can't take is artists who like to #### on 15 year-old teenage girls, and then complain about how "bad" life is. Combine that, and the lack of actual music MTv plays (dumped in favor of reality shows staring: Mediocre skateboarder acting like a tool, followed by an episode of the worst actor alive pulling the stupidest pranks on the face of the earth), MTv has gone to crap.

I know everyone has their opinion of good music, and I respect that. This is just my opinion. They have a couple good shows now and then, but the music part of MTV has been consumed by the mainstream.

I don't necessarily think that it being mainstream is an issue (hey, Nirvana went mainstream), because as I said before, MTv is a TV network that shapes mainstream music. I just think that the lack of music in general, the ignoring of various genres, and the degrading quality of music in general has sent the network downhill.

I guess what I'm trying to say is: I hate MTV, and all that it now stands for. Long live FUSE and VH1.

As do I, as do I...

[itsallgonnabeOK]

Originally posted by Capital R
So I watched the 2005 MTV VMA's recently, and Greenday cleaned house. I believe they won all 8 awards for which they were nominated. Now, I know that Greenday has been around for a long time and they can be called the only "real" punk band around since they have political tones in their music, but I feel they only won because they are Greenday. Don't get me wrong, I like Greenday, but I mean, their videos for "American Idiot" and "Boulevard of Broken Dreams" went head-to-head with My Chemical Romance's "Helena", which I thought was a much better song and video. I mean if you just watch the video for it compared to "American Idiot"'s video filled with green slime and "BoBD"'s video with the band walking down a street. you can totally tell that "Helena" is the superior video; and, it is a much better song. My Chemical Romance should have won at least one award. The voters seem to be completely oblivious to good music and such and have been consumed by the mainstream. But this is only one thing MTV has done wrong.

It's ridiculous how MTV has changed from a great channel filled with great music, to a mainstream channel which is pretty much biased against rock music. Sure, they show a couple rock videos, but it's just not the same MTV. When MTV2 came into play, it was supposed to showcase more rock, but like it's original counterpart, it is now infested with anti-rock bias. It's just disappointing to see good music get the boot because of "popular" music.

I know everyone has their opinion of good music, and I respect that. This is just my opinion. They have a couple good shows now and then, but the music part of MTV has been consumed by the mainstream.

I guess what I'm trying to say is: I hate MTV, and all that it now stands for. Long live FUSE and VH1.

Hhhmmm. Yeah I agree. I love old Green Day music, but I feel they have sold out for MTV and etc. Which might be a cliched, stereotypical scene kid statement, but it's true and I am a scene kid.

I LOVE my chemical romance, and I agree, Helana is a WONDERFUL video/song, very heartfelt and well put together, I have a feeling MCR is going to become a band very well known for their prowess at videos. Ghost of You makes me cry. and I can't stop watching it. Just like Helana.

But unfortunatly, Helana is overplayed and it's adoption by the musical mainstream has given MCR a bad name. :-(

But I still love them almost as much as Nirvana. Which is saying something, TRUST ME!!! :-D
I think MTv has always been mainstream. The dfference is, MTv shapes the mainstream, and when Kurt Cobain died, so did Rock as we knew it. After Kurt's death.

Couldn't agree more. You must be ONE OF US (a nirvana fanatic)I don't necessarily think that it being mainstream is an issue (hey, Nirvana went mainstream), because as I said before, MTv is a TV network that shapes mainstream music. I just think that the lack of music in general, the ignoring of various genres, and the degrading quality of music in general has sent the network downhill.


WOW you're smart. :-D

[morning_glory]

Originally posted by itsallgonnabeOK

Couldn't agree more. You must be ONE OF US (a nirvana fanatic)


Proud owner of every album. ;)